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The Worst Phantom Ever/ Worst Ending


While this is a beautifully made film, what with the lovely color and cinematography plus the Paris Opera set, the film was very disappointing because of the comedy elements. Raoul and Anatole (Nelson Eddy) become a comic duo in the old fashioned 30's style of Abbot and Costello or something like that. Christine chooses neither Raol or Anatole as her romantic interest and instead chooses a career in opera. None of this is true to the original novel by Gaston Leroux. This version is the worst when compared to the Lon Cheney version, the Andrew Lloyd Webber musical and even other adaptations on film.

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I'm a fan of classical music and opera, but I still didn't enjoy this film. I like my Phantom of the Opera to be a Gothic romance without any comedy like in this film. The ending is so far removed from the original Gaston Leroux source it's ridiculous.

This film is really for fans of Nelson Eddy.

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The ending is so far removed from the original Gaston Leroux source it's ridiculous.

I liked this film, but to each their own.

The closest to Leroux film adaptation is the Lon Chaney film...that is, until the end, but it's still very true to the book, especially when regarding the Phantom's deformity. As much as I love this film, the deformity wasn't that terrible, but I know they had good, solid reasons for making it that way, unlike the 2004 film, who minimized the disfigurement to "sex up" the role of the Phantom. God, I hate that movie....I like Emmy and Patrick, but my loathing of Gerard Butler's performance (among other things) makes it impossible for me to enjoy the film.

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As much as I like the movie, half the viewing time is spent on mute because the music just gets to the point where it's an annoyance more than anything. You said it yourself, it's a Gothic romance plus a thriller, once the music begins to turn it into "Hello Dolly," it begins to get absurd. Set in the opera? Fine. Do I need to listen to fifteen minutes of opera every time something is going on? No. If I want to listen to opera, I'll go to the opera. When I watch a movie, I don't want a slow, plodding plot with some squawking cow shrieking at me for a half hour.

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"As much as I like the movie, half the viewing time is spent on mute because the music just gets to the point where it's an annoyance more than anything."

I agree completely. I had to just fast-forward through the long boring musical parts of this movie. I didn't hate this version, but I was so unsatisfied with it that I decided to watch both the 1925 silent film and the 2004 movie, both of which I thought were much better than this one.

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Too much opera and not enough Phantom!!! Especially if, like me, you are watching it for Claude Rains...I should also point out that any movie about the Phantom in which the Phantom has 3rd billng has probs....Im sure Nelson Eddys fans were delighted though

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This was actually the first version of "Phantom" I ever saw. I agree that the comedy elements ruin it a bit and it deviates heavily from the Leroux novel. However, I still consider it an entertaining vision of the story, a vision that is given many extra points because of the spectacualr performance by Claude Raines as The Phantom. Raines' Phantom was sympathetic, but also had just enough menace mixed in as to make you fear for anyone who crossed him. His performance is, IMO, one of the best portrayals of the Phantom character ever put on film, overshadowed only by Lon Chaney...but then, of course, NO ONE can top Chaney.

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Now that you mentioned it, I did wish that were was an Abbot and Costello film meets the Phantom of the opera. Being an Abbot and Costello fan I wished that was made, only thing that kind of turned me off from this adaptation was the fact that they made the Phantom Christine's father but it was never fully clarified.

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lol wut, The Phantom wasnt Christines father in this version

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''lol wut, The Phantom wasnt Christines father in this version''

Actually he was, as clarified by the script, but the protagonists just presume he is in love with her. He isn't, he just wants her to be successful and happy.

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Obviously, the OP never saw the Richard Englund version of this venerable classic. Odious and highly rancoid.

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You mean Robert Englund? The 1989 "Phantom" came to my mind immediately when I saw the title of this thread. This is a beautiful story about unrequited love. Those expecting a horror film can either open their minds or move on.

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A mistake beyond endurance; it might as well be Bozo Miller in the role as wretched as it was. Putrid, but not in any way good.

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I came here to say the Englund version but then I remembered that atrocious Asia Argento version from 1998. Even if you're curious, don't waste your time. I warned you.

Anyway, while this movie is flawed I can appreciate it. You just have to see it as more of a fanfiction than a story in itself (which, let's face it, all productions are simply that as film can never replicate the original Leroux). I'd rank it somewhere in the middle of the film productions, definitely not the worst by far.

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It's probably for the best that they omitted the revelation that he was her father. The scene where he claims that she'll live with him and sing exclusively for him doesn't work if he's a father whose sole motivation for murder is his daughter's success. It still marks him as being obsessed with her on a sexual level.

And making him into an incestuous father undermines his supposed fall from grace. That doesn't quite work if he's a creep to begin with.

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You didn't see Argento's version at the time of this comment I am guessing, for that gets everything wrong.

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You're being too nice. This film was downright terrible!
The story was so weak that 80% of the movie is music. And the worst thing was the high-key, happy-happy, MGM style lighting. There's NO way to feel horror with that kind of lighting. The film was not menacing at all, just gay and useless.

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You're being too nice. This film was downright terrible!
The story was so weak that 80% of the movie is music. And the worst thing was the high-key, happy-happy, MGM style lighting. There's NO way to feel horror with that kind of lighting. The film was not menacing at all, just gay and useless.
If you're sixteen and love horror movies with gore and titties, I can see where you're coming from.

'The Phantom of the Opera' isn't my favorite Universal horror movie. Not like Dracula, Frankenstein, the Wolf Man, etc...but it's a classic, well-known and iconic story. "Too much opera and not enough phantom" is a popular criticism of this film. However, it is a movie about an opera and Susanna Foster's voice is amazing. I can at least respect her and Nelson Eddy's talents without writing it off as gay.

As far as the lighting - I'm not sure if it's the lighting or the technological limitations of the time. Technicolor in the 30's and early 40's - like in 'Gone with the Wind' - the colors seem a bit over-saturated (flesh tones almost seem a bit too pink for example) and aren't as natural as what we're used to today. The film won a couple Oscars for art decoration or something.

None of the old classic Universal movies are particularly "scary" by today's standards. They're just fun and (mostly) well-made. 'The Phantom of the Opera' is no exception in my opinion. The excellent Claude Raines (who was the 'Invisible Man' and Larry Talbot's father in 'The Wolf Man') is excellent as always here. And the production values exceed that of the 1925 silent film which justifies the re-make - although they did reuse that amazing, famous opera set. I would say it's more sophisticated in terms of cinematography, story, acting, etc. and that's because of how the industry grew from 1925 to 1943, going from the silent era to the "talkie" era. I felt like the 1925 silent film is hampered by constant cuts of the title cards - through no fault of its own of course; it was the limitations of its time.

As far as the comedy between the police officer and the singer.....it's only a few scenes and I thought the last scene was genuinely pretty funny and leaves you with a smirk. I think that's a little unfair to judge the end on that one scene. The true "ending" is the mask reveal and all that.

I'm also glad they cut any references to The Phantom being Christine's father. That was just a bad idea. They cut it because of hints at incest and were exactly right. I also think it's a more intriguing story without the father/son connection.....a father is supposed to love and adore his daughter. Of course he's going to think she's the best and love her. However, having an unrelated stranger have that kind of admiration and passion makes it much more intriguing and creepy.

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Actually, I'm 50 and I don't like Gore. Ever since he started "protecting" the world from Manbearpig, I lost all respect for him. Plus Tipper was an idiot back in the '80s when she tried to censor music. I do like titties, though...

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