Lt. Tonder fate?


Maybe I missed it, but what happened to Lt. Tonder (Peter Van Eyck), the sympathetic, lonely (or just horny) German soldier? The last thing we see is the girl he likes in the bedroom menacingly holding a pair of long scissors, then we see Tonder heading to the bedroom, closing the door and...

That's it! Nothing about either the girl or Tonder from that point on. Are we supposed to just assume that she killed Tonder, and then either killed herself or was killed by the Germans?

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That was what I was wondering too. pretty obvious that, though she seemed to be showing sympathy at one moment, she talked about how much she missed her husband, and this could have been her way of getting revenge against those who stole him. I think its pretty self explanatory. poor guy, and poor woman! both victims of this terrible war.

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psmithyyyyy says > That was what I was wondering too. pretty obvious that, though she seemed to be showing sympathy at one moment, she talked about how much she missed her husband, and this could have been her way of getting revenge against those who stole him. I think its pretty self explanatory. poor guy, and poor woman! both victims of this terrible war.
I noticed how they tried to make Tonder a more 'sympathetic' German soldier but I wasn't buying and didn't like it. He followed orders and brutalized the people so there was nothing kind about him.

I do understand someone thinking he wasn't exactly like the other more brutal characters who were anxious for blood but when Tonder ordering the people to stay in the bar it showed his was not against using his power over them. He acted like they should just whoop it up with him forgetting the reason he and the others were there and what they had done.

He did the exact same thing when he went to Molly's house. His loneliness was his damned problem not anyone else's. As it turns out, she was lonely too but that was because he and his kind decided to invade the town and kill her husband. That's not exactly the same thing.

I like the way the scene was handled. Molly seemed to be somewhat willing to be nice to him and overlook that they were on opposite sides but she remembered the townspeople then all of a sudden she saw her husband's things and came to her senses. I'm glad she killed him and escaped! Not showing it was a good move because we didn't need to see that side of her; what she was reduced to doing.

The fact some saw Tonder as a 'nicer' German who was simply caught up in a war; who was also a victim, is an important part of the movie. It's a good reminder that in times of war, one must not let sentiments like that get in your way. The invaders didn't give them a chance or show them any sympathy. As the mayor said eventually they'd all have to either kill or be killed.

It's those people; people like Tonder; people who should have known better and did nothing; even participated that enabled the horrors of the Nazis to perpetuate and kill millions. One cannot simply say, 'I was following orders' especially when the brutality is in your face and not in some remote place. A guy like Tonder knew exactly what harm was being done. He could have sided with the townspeople and helped them secretly but he just cared about himself. How dare he expect anything from Molly; her kindness, gratitude, companionship or sex? He knew full well her husband had been murdered by his people and what they represented so he was simply trying to benefit from the situation. It's simply pathetic so good riddance to him!


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Definitely felt like a scene was cut - also the ending wa somewhat abrupt - although, overall - a very powerful film.

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Thanks, I'm glad it wasn't me and I hadn't missed something. It really seemed strange, considering how when anyone else was killed, they made a big production out of it.

I guess since Tonder was a 'good guy' (but still a German), they didn't want to say any more about him or the girl being killed violently, even if it was off-screen. Maybe it was a censorship thing.

Still an interesting movie, especially as it was based on a Steinbeck book. I particularly liked Cedric Hardwicke's character in how he at least tried to reason with the Norwegians instead of the typical, two-dimensional brutal, movie Nazi. I have to say, they should have figured out sooner that if they refused to work, completely, there was really no need for them. Seems like they could have done the smart thing, went to work, and done a really half-assed job. The blatant, "in-your-face" obstinance, well, what did they expect a conquering army to do?

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It was easy to miss because it went by so fast, but in a scene soon after that, a very brief whispered exchange between the Mayor and his wife, she tells him that the young woman has escaped and made it to Sweden. Nothing about her after that, and no mention is made of Lt. Tonder after that either. I wonder if the book tells what happened after she killed him and made her escape.

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I wonder if the lack of any mention of what happened afterwards was a none-too-subtle way of saying that the Germans didn't much care about those within their ranks who were even the least bit sympathetic to those they had conquered.

In a typical WW2 movie, you'd have thought there'd have been a massive slaughter of townspeople in retaliation for the murder of not only a German soldier, but an officer, as well. Of course, that also diminishes the labor pool for the mines.

Or maybe the implication is that the townspeople were able to dispose of Lt. Tonder's remains so as not to be found. That would kind of explain why the Germans didn't retaliate since they didn't know for certain if Tonder was killed or he had deserted. But they could have at least put it in the movie so the audience wasn't left hanging.

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If you listen closely, just after he enters Molly's room and closes the door, you hear a thump, i.e., a body falling to the floor. Probably can be heard better in a movie theater.

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Yeah. I was watching with CC turned on and the [thud] was even captioned.


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Cheappleasuress says > If you listen closely, just after he enters Molly's room and closes the door, you hear a thump, i.e., a body falling to the floor. Probably can be heard better in a movie theater.
I didn't hear the thud you described but once Molly grabbed the scissors and asked Tonder to come in I knew what was going to happen. I don't know if a scene was edited out but if it was, I didn't mind how it turned out.

I wondered if it wasn't done intentionally to leave the outcome up to the viewer. If they wanted to imagine him dead, fine. If they saw him as a more sympathetic character, they could imagine something else.

I initially thought Molly had killed him but when I heard later that she had escaped I wondered if she had done it with his help. It seemed a bit odd that she'd escape on her own; without any other townspeople going with her.

I only thought this after the mayor repeated what Tonder had said to the other Germans. If he had been killed or he disappeared I don't think the German would have stood for it. Whatever he might have said he was still one of them. They'd avenge his death. Also had he gone missing after his rant, they might assume he went AWOL but they'd still want to find him so they could punish him for abandoning his post and speaking ill of Hitler.

In either case they would not have been so nonchalant about it. The fact he was German like them would have made no difference. If he went against them they'd want to make an example of him just like anyone else. Not showing us exactly what happened was kind of confusing but as I said elsewhere I think the Tonder character was important.

The overall message of the film is we have to fight for freedom and keep fighting no matter what happens. Freedom is not guaranteed; it can be easily lost or taken away and without notice. The Tonder character reminds us we can't be fooled by phony courtesies. We have to know the enemy and deal with him accordingly.


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