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Pretty Run of the Mill WWII Action Flick


These movies were pumped out by the dozens during WWII mostly to get viewers pumped up about issues relative to the war (support the troops, zip your lip, tolerate rationing/don't cheat, and get youngsters to enlist). Most were made in a hurry and are not artistic things of beauty or accuracy. And most carried some sort of eye candy which usually involved a romantic relationship with one of the male stars. This movie has all those.

It is also horribly inaccurate in many areas. With all the military advisors available during the war you would think most errors wouldn't have occurred in the first place and civilians, being very familiar with soldiers and sailors during the war years, would easily recognize errors quickly.

The biggest one of course is that "older guys" like EGR and Edgar Buchanan would have never been drafted or allowed to enlist. If anything they would be restricted due to their work skills (building ships is more exclusive than fighting them) or allowed to enlist in the Merchant Marine for convoy duty.

Second, the entire company of boot camp would not be sent to the same ship. They would be spread out across the fleet so their inexperience could not cripple one ship.

Third, conflicts among shipmates is a pretty rare thing. One whiff of a major confrontation and one of the people would be gone. There simply isn't time or space to put up with frivolity on an American warship as small as a destroyer.

Fourth, had any ship failed sea trials so miserably there would have been hell to pay for the crew of the ship and the yard in which she was built. Heads would roll. All that bragging about how well the JPJ was built went right out out the window and he would have lost all his integrity.

Fifth, one hit forward by a torpedo would have blown the entire front of the ship completely off, probably detonated the magazines and torn the ship to pieces. That's why they are called 'tin cans'. And BTW, 'tin can' is a derisive term because that's about all the defensive integrity they carry. A destroyer is purely an offensive weapon.

Sixth, the attack by the Japanese aircraft would not have been possible without an aircraft carrier nearby. The JPJ was sailing on a mail route which was in an area which the Japanese contested with capital ships, not aircraft carriers. The Japanese planes would not have been flying aimlessly looking for targets at sea - instead they would have been engaged in the battle for the Aleutian Islands (Attu or Kiska).

And last (although there are probably more I didn't pay attention to) is hats. White hats were not worn at sea during WWII because they could be easily seen at night from a long distance. Instead sailors wore ball caps (blue) or dyed "white hats" also dark blue. Also, hats are worn "inside" only by on-duty persons. When a sailor walks into a building and is not on duty they are required to remove their hat. And a Navy man salutes only when wearing a hat. No hat, no salute. This is different protocol than the Army but is the same as the Marines.

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Run of the mill? Is that a bad thing? Most people wouldn't even notice the things you mentioned. At any rate, this movie, like many others, was put out to sell war bonds and give the audience something to cheer about. There was not a lot to cheer about in the early years of WWII.

As to your seven problems with the film, I can't speak to your first one as things are different now regarding enlistment age than they were back then when there was still a possibility that we could lose the war. My take is that if you had an expertise in a critical field, age might very well be overlooked. But this is something the audience likely didn't give much thought to.

You didn't have a problem with Mickey being a chief petty officer (E7) when he was all of, what, 25 years old, did you? That's unheard of, even for those times. I cracked up when he lamented that he'd worked long and hard to get to that pay grade. He must have joined when he was 10. Ordinarily it can take upwards of 15 years or more to get to E7, though boatswain's mate is one of the easier rates to attain. Kansas receiving a first class ship fitters rating wouldn't have happened in boot camp either. He'd need to attend an "A" school after graduating boot camp and even then, he wouldn't have necessarily been an E6 coming out but more likely an E4. "Bole" mentions him taking a test. Maybe that's all it took back then.

Secondly, the ship wasn't comprised solely of boots. I don't think that is even implied. Sure, Kansas says "we're all going" but that was an exaggeration. I know when I went through boot camp, many of us were assigned to the same ship(s) when we graduated. However there were many more "old salts" on board to run these ships while the new guys got the hang of things.

Third, it is implied that the crew was necessary (no transfers allowed) so either the crew stayed put or the ship didn't leave port. The "conflict" in this case is purely a plot device and as such would be considered artistic license.

Fourth, the shipyard didn't build the engines, boilers, pretty much everything that failed. Boleslavski and his shipyard crew put the hull, decks and superstructure together. All the rest is on someone else. As it turned out, the ship itself was put together rather well...

...as it survived a torpedo hit that may or may not have been fatal. The movie implies it was as most of the crew abandoned ship but "Bole" saved the day. Again, this isn't supposed to be a factual to a fault movie. As for the term "tin can," there's a whole national association of destroyer veterans known as Tin Can Sailors. They don't seem to mind the name.

Why couldn't there be Japanese aircraft carrier(s) nearby? Kiska is one of the Aleutian Islands. Depending on when this movie was supposed to have taken place, the air could have been filled with enemy planes. There were two IJN carriers in the area for the Dutch Harbor attack and since the Zero had a range of just under 2,000 miles, it's quite possible they could have been on patrol when the JPJ II arrived on scene. We don't actually know the position of the JPJ II, It could have happened.

The only thing in which I share an equal beef with you, and this happens in a lot of war movies, is the wearing of covers and when/how to salute a superior officer. Well that and using O instead of 0 (zero) for telling time. These three things are Navy specific. So yes, no saluting when uncovered indoors. HOWEVER, when and when not to wear covers is mostly a rule when on shore, not necessarily shipboard. We didn't always uncover when indoors on ships unless we were at mess or off duty.

As to whether the covers should have been white or blue, that's up for debate. The white hat came out in 1886. I wouldn't say beyond doubt that white caps weren't worn at sea during any war because they were for over 35 years prior to WWII. I've always equated the dark cap as a work hat worn with a work uniform, like dungarees, and not with the blues or whites uniforms. The merchant marine may have worn them. I can't find any historical evidence that they were used during WWII for the reason you state but I guess anything is possible. I would point out that this is one of the only WWII movies that shows sailors wearing dark covers. Most all of the rest show sailors in white caps.

Run of the mill? I don't know. I saw this film many times when I was young and joined the Navy when I was old enough to. It worked for me. Maybe it worked for many others as well.
KS

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My husband and I just saw this movie (well most, we had to run out for a few minutes to pick up children). We are both Navy retirees and thoroughly enjoyed the movie. I noticed the black dixie cups and we decided they were due to black out conditions at night and during wartime.

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