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The Raven was shown only once, last night, by the New Orleans Film Society and the French Consulate. It was my one time to see it, most likely. I was intrigued, even though it doesn't match up to Diabolique. However, at the end I looked in my lap for something and actually missed whodunit, who killed the older husband or how he died. I only saw the stunned look on a villager's face, a black shrouded person walking out, then down the street as seen through the window.

Question: Who was the Raven??? If no one tells me I will Forever More be wondering OR have to embarrass myself and call the Film Society and ask people I have known for 15 years.

Help please and tell me which villager was the Raven??? Save me from a hellish phone call to the Society.

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I just watched this last night. I missed part of it and started watching this when the movie was already--maybe 30 minutes into it so I didn't know who everyone was. I, too, wasn't looking when they probably revealed the person in black. I must know!!

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It was Michel Vorzet (Laura's husband, the old man). The person who killed him was the old lady who wanted to avenge her son's death. In the last sequence, she exits the frame looking quite like (and perhaps more ominously) A RAVEN!

Remember, Pierre Fresnay's (Germain) character finds Pierre Larquey's (Vorzet) body, next to a letter Vorzet was writing! Fresnay's character says: "So it WAS Vorzet!" and the woman in black (the old lady) exits out and as she exits, we find out she was the real one behind it, thus making out that she ordered the Vorzets to write the letters -- apparently, the joke was carried by the Vorzets too far, and she killed Vorzet. I don't remember the old lady's name - I also saw this 2 nights ago on TCM.

Update (9/8) I was wrong - the old lady didn't write the letters: Laura originated the letters, while Michel Vorzet continued them out of misogyny. The old lady (Marie Corbin, I believe) killed him out of revenge. For a more detailed explanation, go to http://membres.lycos.fr/bernadac/Clouzot/corbeau.html (It's in French)

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Thank you!!

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I believe that there is no pat answer to the question as to who "the Raven" was. Yes, Dr. Vorzet did write some letters, denouncing Germain. But it's also clear that Denise wrote some, probable that Laura wrote some, and more than likely that just about everyone in town probably got around to it sooner or later. (Vorzet himself, perhaps in self-defense, says that with more than 800 letters written in the space of a few days, it's materially impossible that just one soul was at work.) And, indeed, this is clearly the point of Clouzot: that all of us (and French society, in particular, during the Occupation) may be tempted to destroy with calumny those around us whom we envy or find disagreeable and objectionable in any way. Bear in mind, however, that much of what was bandied about in the poison-pen letters was something approximating the truth (intimations of adultery, embezzlement of public funds, the terminal cancer of the patient in bed #13, etc.). So if this film had a disguised political message about the practice of informing on others, it was perhaps ambiguous.

As to the question of who killed Dr. Vorzet, there's no doubt that it was the mother of the terminal cancer patient. But was it necessarily Vorzet who wrote him the letter that prompted the suicide? It could very well have been Marie Corbin, the nurse, who, out of sympathy for her former boyfriend's addiction to opium, tried to increase the supply available to him by eliminating one of the drains on that supply. The fact that anonymous letters continued to circulate after her imprisonment is explained above.

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I saw it again yesterday (when I bought it, of course) and you've just confirmed it. To stretch the point:

Denise wrote some letters to Laura so she could end up with Germain *in an imitation of "The Raven's" handwriting. Laura, who was the originator of those letters, wrote the first letter. But Vorzet, continued them out of mysogyny and love for denouncing anyone who he detests.

Like I said, Germain discovered Vorzet's body, next to a letter he was writing: "The guilty one, Laura, has been punished! THE CURSE IS LIFTED! The Rav..." and Germain learns who the raven was: "So it WAS Vorzet!" and then he sees the old lady (the mother of the son who had cancer) walk out, and if you look carefully, her image turns to a raven. It was the most ominous point.

Like our detective friend says: "When you have eliminated the imposible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth." A clue in the end of the film was when Denise and Remy Germain talk, and Denise reveals that Laura was not the raven. Another clue was when "The Raven" sends another letter, saying that Marie Corbin is not "The Raven" (this was days after her arrest). The elimination of Corbin led to the writing test. Then we (the viewer) eliminate Denise; we think Laura did it, but then Denise tells Remy (and us) that Laura is not "The Raven"; at the end, we know who "The Raven" is: Michel Vorzet. It's pretty simple.

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I saw it again yesterday (when I bought it, of course) and you've just confirmed it. To stretch the point:

Denise wrote some letters to Laura so she could end up with Germain *in an imitation of "The Raven's" handwriting. Laura, who was the originator of those letters, wrote the first letter. But Vorzet, continued them out of mysogyny and love for denouncing anyone who he detests.

Like I said, Germain discovered Vorzet's body, next to a letter he was writing: "The guilty one, Laura, has been punished! THE CURSE IS LIFTED! The Rav..." and Germain learns who the raven was: "So it WAS Vorzet!" and then he sees the old lady (the mother of the son who had cancer) walk out, and if you look carefully, her image turns to a raven. It was the most ominous point.

Like our detective friend says: "When you have eliminated the imposible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth." A clue in the end of the film was when Denise and Remy Germain talk, and Denise reveals that Laura was not the raven. Another clue was when "The Raven" sends another letter, saying that Marie Corbin is not "The Raven" (this was days after her arrest). The elimination of Corbin led to the writing test. Then we (the viewer) eliminate Denise; we think Laura did it, but then Denise tells Remy (and us) that Laura is not "The Raven"; at the end, we know who "The Raven" is: Michel Vorzet. It's pretty simple.

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Thanks to you and all the other opinions on who was The Raven. That time in France was of historic significance in the film. Now, I must buy the DVD. The story of the times and the actual cinematic struggle is an addition to look forward to. I am not good at eliminating the usual suspects so I always figure there will be a surprise ending for me and they usually is. The Europeans have the edge on the U.S.

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I watched the commentary on the dvd where a writer said the director recived a black lash from his plot about poison pen letters. Then I remembred the book "Is Paris Burning" about the liberation of Paris in WWII. The liberators found huge sacks of such letters sent to the Gestapo headquarters in Paris.

So many the Germans would not have had time to do anything except read them. These letters were still unopened. They were written by French citizens against their own countrymen for the most venial reasons: to eliminate a romantic rival, to get someone's job or apartment, etc.

This was not a new phenonoma. People were sent to the Bastile in the old days on the basis of "letters of cachet." These letters allowed people with influence to imprison other people in secret without any legal recourse.

A year or so ago I watched an episode of Miss Marple's Mysteries on PBS. It was based on her book "The Moving Finger" about a series of poison pen letters in a small town and how they destroyed people's lives. Maybe Agatha Christie got some inspriration from the actual French crime which took place in 1922.

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In the bonus features on the Criterion Collection release of LE CORBEAU it is mentioned that when the film was originally released the Germans condemned the film because they felt it would discourage, 'informing'. Informants were an important tool in the subjugation of the French population and the Nazis most definitely did not want this practice to end.

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Naaaaa... Marie Corbin is Vorzet's wife's sister! The nurse who is wrongly accused of being the Raven.

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Ah, good! Someone else who believes that Vorzet wrote the letters! You've just made our day. Thanks!

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i was always thinking throughout the movie that the petite lil' girl was writing the letters but as the mystery began to unfold and the dr. was starting to have suspicions on denize and saw her writing the letter i knew that she wasn't "le corbeau" and that it would appear that everybody in town where involved.....y do you look for which one is le corbeau?? le corbeau is noone! le corbeau is everybody! the dr.'s assumptions in the end about who is the blackmailer are quite idiotic and aren't there to lead the audience step by step to realize who was the real murderer but to show them that in fact even the doctor was starting to engage in the whole mystery whereas in the whole movie he wasn't interested one bit (at least not up to this portion of suspecting everybody and anybody! it showed what bad things can do to your mind a situation like this)...after the discussion with the old man who is found dead in the end he starts as well to get involved in all this hysterical situation....the movie wants to show that everybody wanting or not were at one point and onwards getting affected and engaged in this hysterical situation that was happening in france in the '40s...the quote of dr. who found the old man dead on his desk was for laughs...so HE is le corbeau...(which isn't true of course!) after he saw the black-like figure walking away from the home and after the movie ended you know what he shouted? SHE IS le corbeau! which is really obvious because the dr. had no detective skills at all and he was going from one sure suspect to another like a tennis ball....of course the SHE IS le corbeau quote was unnecesarry and would be repetitive and one can figure out what he would do and say afterwards by himself after realising the dr.'s thoughts

and the first poster shame on you! for being a cinefil and not being able to understand this (it didn't matter if you looked elsewhere...the plot was resolved mins ago from the final scene) it was really quite obvious and the point of the movie was to make you understand that everybody blackmailed everyone in the hectic times in france of the '40s during WWII and when nazi's were inside france

it's a quite ingenious movie (but the mystery was no-mystery in fact...so stop getting your mind in a tough situation trying to figure out who was the blackmailer)

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I've enjoyed all of the aforementioned comments and interpretations of "The Ravem"("Le Corbeau"),directed by Henri-Georges Clouzot.I am very fortunate to live in San Francisco where our Public Library gets every Criterion Collection DVD re-release title.Yesterday,I brought home this fantstic DVD with many wonderful Special Features.Also included with this DVD ,is a 16-page booklet.It contains two articles from a 1947 French newspaper that reveal the scandal and controversy behind what would later become known as "the Corbeau affair",or "The Commies<communists>vs Le Corbeau.It was a battle of words between two French cinema critics,Joseph Kessel and Henri Jeanson.The whole affair is too long for me to do it justice here.I strongly urge anyone who enjoys Clouzot's films buy or find a video rental store that has this very special Criterion release.C'est tout!

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my boyfriend and i just recently saw this film and thought it was excellent. he brought up a point that the camera angle at the end of the film was shown from the point of view of the audience indicating that we, too, were the raven as we have passed judgement of characters in the film. brilliant.

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That’s an ingenious point.
Never thought of that.
I always entertained the idea that Rémy was writing the letters to himself.

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Some of the people on this thread are really quite pretentious idiots. Vorzet was the Raven. all that crap about the old woman or "everyone in the town" being the raven is just stupid. the "town" was not the raven -- that was only an intermediate suggestion before the mystery was finally unraveled. the director threw it in there in order to maintain suspense. i mean, duh, retards! and the old woman "looking like" the raven was just more of clouzot's idiocy; for some reason he is never content wrapping up a mystery and so feels the need to pack some "extra" (but nonsensical) mystery into the last few seconds of his films.

he did this same crap in diaboloque. *SPOILER* (OMG, did the schoolteacher really have a heart attack and die?? of course she did... we saw it happen... BUT WAIT... the little kid in the last few seconds says he saw her alive... OMG...the MYSTERY DEEPENS! the GENIUS!!!!)

This director is a turd muffin. But at least he is better than Michael Haneke (I'm looking at you, Cache fans!)

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"the "town" was not the raven"

then why do we learn that many wrote letters?

Vorzet was THE BIG raven. But there were dozens of others - just like Denise - who used the guise to accuse others.

This is the point of the film - evil is in all of us.

But well, looking at your comments, I suspect that's something you already know...
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Accusing others of stupidity by calling them "retards" is always a hilariously ironic and completely self-defeating turn of phrase. You are disqualified from having an opinion on the matter.

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But if Vorzet was the Raven, why then write that final letter saying the raven had been caught? Given that Laura had already been driven off to the asylum, she clearly couldn't have written that letter, so it would cast doubt on her guilt. Why would the real raven want to cast doubt on the guilt of a patsy? Surely he would just stop writing the letters to make it look even more like she was the culprit?

Can someone explain that to me?

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