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No apology for 'Cabin in the Sky'


First of all, let me warn the reader that this thread could end up becoming a very personal and negative experience because I intend to enter into matters of racial politics that are a sore on America's soul. Many years ago I took part in an exercise like that with regards to Disney's buried film "Song of the South" and it became truly personal -- I have no desire to see this thread become that negative, but it's a possibility at some points that it may end up that way because if we're going to be real we're talking about a lot of pain here.

Secondly, let me just saw a few of the many thousands of positive things I could say about this film, which I consider one of the masterpeices of American film. Before I saw this movie, I had never even HEARD of Ethel Waters -- who is, believe it or not, one of the most significant popular singers of the 20th Century. She had a voice that made the angels heave a sigh, to borrow a well chosen phrase. Not only was this film a great vehicle for Waters' singing, dancing, and acting, but it also served as a showcase for an all-star all-black cast of some of the most talented performers in American history. Lena Horne made her Hollywood film debut in this film as the devilish temptress "Sweet Georgia Brown". It was Vincente Minnelli's first film as a director, and surely one of the best debut films this side of Citizen Kane. His visual sensibility and his attention to psychological nuance were already in full swing. Eddie "Rochester" Anderson appeared in his most fully formed character, lending the film great comic value. Duke Ellington's band was at its full power and was never displayed on film to as great effect as here, with "Bubbles" Sublett doing an incredible dance routine. The Nicholas Brothers, Louis Armstrong, Rex Ingram, Butterfly McQueen -- the sheer volume of powerful musical and acting talent was rarely met in any Hollywood film from this time, much less a film that would appeal to the black audience. Harold Arlen and Yip Harburg, one of America's all-time great songwriting teams fresh off the success of "The Wizard of Oz" contributed songs that for once were up to the level of the original Broadway score by Vernon Duke and John La Touche. Pretty much everything about this movie is incredible.

Now let me get into what upset me and made me want to create this thread. First of all -- the apology. Warner Brothers felt it necessary to accompany this DVD with a written apology on behalf of the distributors stating that the movie itself was morally incorrect at the time of its release and now. I was stunned and my mouth literally dropped open when I read this apology. I do not think "Cabin in the Sky" needs an apology. I do not think it is any more stereotyped than the average Chris Rock movie. Most importantly, I think this film presents black characters with substance, regardless of their surface resemblance to stereotypes. I do not believe that the producers and director of this film had racist intentions when they made this film -- in fact I believe quite the opposite. For example, the decision to do the film with an all-black cast was commendable. We could compare the film to the somewhat similar Gershwin opera "Porgy and Bess", in which white characters are presented as cartoonish negative types. Or we could talk about the many hundreds of primarily-black films made from that time through today which include the reprehensible white character who represents the "good" white man and approves of the black's behavior and helps them. I believe it's to this film's credit that all of that was left behind, basically they took what Gershwin and Heywood did and one upped it.

Now, to the commentary. I was really offended by the commentary track on both personal and artistic grounds. I haven't finished it yet as it was getting quite late last night and I was working through "Cabin" the second time in that evening, but an hour into the commentary neither Arlen, Harburg, nor Duke had even been mentioned. That should point up a huge problem with the commentary right there. Actually I found the commentary fascinating because it combined 3 very distinct types of commentary -- Lena Horne and the children of Eddy Anderson provide the human angle, Drew Casper provides a great wealth of knowledge and understanding of Vincente Minnelli's artistry, and Dr. Todd Boyd, Professor of Critical Studies at USC, provides an ethno-historical perspective I guess you could say. It's the latter that I find troubling, or to use Dr. Boyd's terminology "problematic".

Dr. Boyd, whose commentary uses up most of the space, almost never actually addresses the film's artistic aspects. He is strictly interested in using the film as a springboard to demonstrate various aspects of the racial equation in mid-century America, some of them really related to the film but many having no relationship whatsoever. For example, during the sequence in which Waters sings "Cabin in the Sky" as a crowd gathers and she and Rochester relax beneath a shady tree, Dr. Boyd is going on about how Little Joe's character represents the conflict between immediate gratification and "defered" pleasure with the promise of heavenly grace. OK, that's fair enough. But then he extrapolates to claim that the film can be seen as a commentary on the civil rights movement, because there is what he considers a similar dichotomy between the deferring of human rights compared with the immediate need for human rights. This is a "problematic" analogy. Fair enough to compare the deferrment of civil rights to the deferrment of earthly pleasures, but I see no analogy whatsoever between Little Joe's scandalous behavior (the gambling, drinking, and whoring) and the immediate need for civil rights. I mean, yes the film is saying that Joe needs to control his vices and become a more virtuous and honest man, but it's in no way saying that black people in general should control their desire for freedom and put that off for a later date. The film is not even addressing those types of issues, it is about individual spirituality and one's relationship to god through our loved ones.

In countless instances, Dr. Boyd simply considers each character as nothing but a stereotype and does not see the true psychological implications of the narrative. For example, he is offended that Little Joe is a gambler and so forth, as it represents the racial stereotype of a "no good" black man. But there are many examples of films with white characters who have character flaws and who must take a journey of self-discovery in order to learn virtue. If Dr. Boyd's ethic was taken to the extreme, it would in fact be impossible due to political correctness to even show a black character who was not virtuous. Dr. Boyd considers the plot set-up -- the idea that Joe must not seek out what he desires but instead seek to become virtuous -- to be a metaphor for message that black people should not seek to improve their station in life. For example he states that the idea of having Little Joe win the lottery and therefore be put in temptations way to be a racist concept based on the assumption that black people cannot handle money and are like "children" he says. Yet I believe that the theme of greed and vice are universal themes. And in actual fact if Dr. Boyd had watched the film more closely as a peice of art instead of looking at it simply as a historical document, he would have seen that in the scenes where Joe discovers he's won the lottery, he has no intention of leaving Petunia or suddenly turning "bad".

One of the most disturbing aspects of Dr. Boyd's lecturing is the fact that he only regards the film's spiritual narrative to be a device for the subjugation of black people. He is not trying very hard to veil his feelings about Christianity and its role in African American culture. The commentary itself presents a fascinating contradiction in this regard: while Dr. Boyd only speaks of Little Joes' virtue insofar as he considers it an attempt by the white producers to impose a "safe" system of virtues on the black man, Mr. Anderson's own children speak at other points in the commentary about Eddie Anderson's gentle and virtuous nature. I have a strong feeling based also on what I know about Ethel Waters and her religiosity that she would have been offended by Dr. Boyd's opinion of religion and of the spirituality being expressed in "Cabin in the Sky". Quite simply, what Dr. Boyd sees as a hateful stereotype was in reality, to the people who made this film, an idealistic vision of the possibility for human self-improvement and Christian charity and faith.

I realize the post is getting long, but one more observation on how ridiculous Dr. Boyd's comments are. I mentioned that an hour into the film Mr. Arlen and Mr. Duke, the songwriters of this musical, had not even been mentioned. And only Mr. Casper provides any commentary or insight into Minneli or ANY of the other performers. While one of the Nicholas Brothers is doing a dance -- I don't know which brother because he wasn't on the cast list and Dr. Boyd did not identify him or say anything about his incredible tap dance performance other than to say that the fact that he was smiling represented a negative stereotype to people in the 1960s. ????? Tap dancing was really popular among black people in the 20s and 30s, and the Nicholas Brothers were the best outside of arguably Bojangles himself. This section of the film would probably have been just as entertaining to the average African American audience of the period this film was made, but Dr. Boyd is only interested in telling us that this image later became a symbol of hate and repression.

As to the subject of Mr. Arlen and Mr. Duke, there's a hilarious segment of the commentary where Dr. Boyd is complaining about the instrumental passages in the dramatic sequences and saying that they clash with the more "authetic" black performance peices thereby damaging the film's integrity. This totally ignores the fact that the songs were written by 2 Russian and American Jews. Which is hardly surprising since so many black intellectuals have never acknowledged the role that Jewish people played in the development of Jazz music. They forget the immortal words -- "Basin Street is the street/Where all the dark and light folk meet/You'll never know how nice it is/Or just how much it really means". By seeing Jazz music as exclusively the province and legacy of African Americans, they reveal their lack of understanding of its real origins and appeal.

In my opinion, Little Joe's visitation by the angels and devils and his subsequent moral test is very similar to Charles Dickens' "Christmas Carol". Certainly there's an anti-semetic element in the work and in some of Dickens' other works.... but the powers that be do not feel that it's necessary to put a disclaimer on video copies of that film, nor do they feel it necessary to have an academic lecture the audience on the commentary tracks constantly about how Dickens was using racial stereotypes of Jews. This is just one example of why Warner Brothers' PC presentation of "Cabin in the Sky" is an example of hypocrisy. Their "apology" is an insult to the artists who made this film and shows disregard and a presumptive attitude towards their intentions.

Please let me know how you feel. I think this is a really important issue because we're at the point in time, this generation is at the moment in time, where we can rise above all this politics and see something like "Cabin in the Sky" as a great work of art, or we can simply remain on its surface and see its characters as nothing more than "types". We can sit there and be offended by the fact that Ethel Waters is wearing a bandana and call her "Aunt Jemima" as Dr. Boyd does, or we can see the power and majesty of her performance, one of the greatest in musical film history.

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wow, I have to come back to this thread and finish reading your observations.
However one thing I will agree on, is that...this film does not need an apology. I have seen much worst from that time period and even today, that paint blacks in a reprehensible and negative light.

I watched this movie most recently in February and it still entertained and touched me as it did the first time I saw it.

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They also have a similar notice on the DVD for the 1929 film "Hallelujah!", I can understand that one (even though I'm not as sensitive, I know others who might be offended by that film), but I dont feel "Cabin In the Sky" needs a notice like that.

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I agree with you actually, a lot of people might read my post and think that I'm one of these people who just sort of generically despises "political correctness" but my complaint really is specific to "Cabin in the Sky" and the way it was presented here, especially the phrase they used where they specifically said that it was morally wrong at the time it was made. I've only seen "Hallelujah!" once but I thought it was a terrible film and that it was full of racist stereotypes. "Cabin in the Sky" is a completely different kind of film, WB is just running scared and trying to protect themselves with a blanket apology. It bothers me especially because I think it might affect how people react to the film. Already I've talked to people here who told me they were trying to figure out while they watched the movie what was racist about it. So that means the "disclaimer" is already altering the audience's understanding of the film.

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I was going to ask, do you think black people are offended by this movie or proud? I was just wondering what the reaction might be.

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Your thread is absolutely brilliant! Thank you so much for articulating the
absurdity of that disclaimer/apology at the beginning of this fine film.

I have just one question. You make reference to one of the Nicholas Brothers
dancing in this film without receiving a listed credit. Are you referring to
the dancer in the scene in the kitchen when they deliver the washing maching
for Petunia's birthday?

If so, you are mistaken; as that tap dancer is Bill Bailey,
the older brother of Pearl Bailey.

If this is not the case, please excuse me and direct me to the proper scene.

I was a little girl of about 5 years old when I saw this on TV. I am now a
60 year old grandmother, who gets excited every time I have an opportunity
to view this movie. I own it on video, and DVD as well.

Every aspect of this film was pure entertainment at it's best then and now.

The only disappointment I can express about the DVD, was that idiotic, rambling, self-serving,
and totally misleading commentary by Dr. Todd Boyd.

One of the main reasons I am overdosing in purchasing DVD's, is because of the
added feature of the Commentaries. THEY COULD HAVE LEFT HIM OUT OF THIS ONE!!!

What a despicable insult to the years of hard work, perfecting their craft and sharing with the world
by the entire production crew and especially the cast, by delivering such an EMPTY and uninformative commentary.

Dr. Boyd totally abused an opportunity be a part of something really
great, artistic and historical.....instead...

HE ONLY SUCCEEDED IN PISSING ME AND A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE OFF!!



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I don't know whether he's the same very articulate, well educated black man I saw on TCM giving some commentary on Hattie McDaniel and GWTW. If it is, I wouldn't be surprised. That man made comments that reflected nothing but his own racial bias and viewed everything through the prism of black suffering and indignities and sounded like what you're saying about this commentary. He seemed like a pretentious bore and even got his facts mixed up when he mentioned the Hattie McDaniel incident (about her winning the Oscar) and "some man coming forward and lecturing Olivia de Havilland about crying when she failed to win"--when that isn't what happened at all. It was Irene Selznick who took Olivia into the kitchen area and comforted her when she saw that Olivia couldn't control the tears that were welling in her eyes. De Havilland later revealed that at 22 she thought the loss was something she couldn't live with--for about two weeks! But the man went on talking as if there was a racial aspect to the whole thing and made derogatory remarks about the treatment then of blacks in Hollywood and elsewhere during that age of segregation. I wouldn't be surprised if he's the same Dr. Boyd you're talking about.

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Well that sounds like it could be him, but I couldn't say because I don't have TCM right now so I didn't see it. The kind of thing you're talking about is considered insight these days. Robert Osborne himself is too much of an ass-kisser to say anything to any of these people, just like the time when he was interviewing Betty Hutton and she said all those things about how horribly Howard Keel treated her when they were making "Annie Get Your Gun", even though it's pretty obvious to anybody who knows much about Betty Hutton (or even just watches the dang interview) that she was paranoid and mentally confused for most of her life. Osborne doesn't want to cause an incident, he wants to encourage people to come on there and just kind of smile and let them talk. So he allows some of his guests to bad mouth other people ignorantly like it sounds like he allowed this person to badmouth De Havilland without objecting because he's either just too nice a guy or doesn't like confrontations or whatever. Not much of an interviewer, I would say, but I can see why stars or celebrities like him because his whole job is to make them look good. Back in the 60s he was one of the guys who wrote liner notes for albums to try to get you to buy the record. He interviews for the fans, not anyone interested in objectivity.

It's a particular shame though when things like what you described happen, because a lot of times white people are too scared to confront a black person if the black person is talking about racism, even if it's a matter of a point of fact. It's like racial guilt is supposed to make people just automatically defer, when that's the last thing an intellectual should do. Dr. Boyd himself doesn't strike me as much of an intellectual, I don't know if it was him who you're describing but he seems like the type of guy who's more interested in promulgating a certain doctrine and analyzing art through a very particular political spectrum as opposed to examining the motives or ideas in the art itself with more of an open mind.

p.s. thanks also to the other poster who corrected me, it is indeed Bill Bailey in the kitchen scene, I realized that after making this post when I read through the other threads on the board so maybe I should fix it, but I hate to edit a post I made 2 years ago. I just tend to let it stand, warts and all.

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for those of you whining about the issue of race & the apology; I think you're far off the mark. While you can enjoy the entertainment aspect of this film, the racist aspect isn't far behind, so I think you're far off the mark in your criticism and ridicule of Dr. Boyd's comments.

Just look at how vincente Minelli made all the singers grinning caricatures as they lip-sync'd; I never saw that in any other musical movie. Not to mention the careers of the stars of the film were limited by the terrible racism of the USA and ultimately Hollywood in so many decades. I mean the great Lena Horne just had to do bit parts/songs in "non-black" films so that she could be easily cut out when played for southern audiences.

There's just too much to cover while you try to facilely wipe out all the racism & stereotypes away; but it's far more than Dickens' "anti-semitic" elements....

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I don't agree at all, Dickens included characters like Fagin in "Oliver Twist" who's a horribly negative and stereotyped figure. Even if you do consider the characters in "Cabin" to be stereotypes, it's hard to argue that any of them are even in the same league of negativity as the villainous Fagin who exploits children for a living. Look at how Lon Chaney played him in the 1920s version, it's 100 times more offensive than anything in "Cabin," but no apology on the print that I saw nor on any other Dickens film. I don't think they should have them anyway, I'm just saying it's an example of the hypocrisy and the way that the lawyers for the company that put the dvd out are obviously running scared from someone who they think could boycott or hurt them if they didn't "apologize." Or do you think they just did it out of the goodness of their little ole' hearts?

I have no idea what you mean about Minnelli making the singers "grinning caricatures". If you're talking about Bill Bailey in the kitchen scene, that kind of smiling was completely normal for tap dance routines performed for both white and black audiences. If you never saw it in another musical movie, that just means this movie is more authentic to what was going on at the time in Harlem and in the country generally. The other characters didn't grin when they sang so I assume that's the scene you're talking about, or maybe also Sublett's dance routine at the end which is again very stylized and authentic Harlem style 30s dance. It's a miracle to even have stuff like that on film. The context for these kind of images has changed so much over the years that the meaning is lost. "Cabin in the Sky" shows black people having fun, not having fun picking cotton like the slaves in "Gone with the Wind" but having fun in their own humble homes, churches, and taverns. The movie's not implying that they are enjoying themselves while being subjugated, because there's absolutely no depiction of any kind of oppression or racism in the film whatsoever. They aren't slaves and they aren't working, singing, or dancing for white people, they exist in their own world and their fates rise and fall on their own decisions. That doesn't seem groundbreaking now but in a musical in the 1930s it definitely was. And it doesn't deserve to be discredited with an "apology" that claims it was morally incorrect at the time it was made. It was a liberal film at its time and it depicted black characters with more dignity and beauty than had ever been done on film prior to that as far as I'm aware.

Anyway you say there's "too much to cover" so I'll await the details. Is the fact that Petunia is wearing a bandanna racist? Is the fact that Little Joe gambles racist? Are these things really racist or do they just seem a bit outdated? The film might seem objectionable to some people now, I don't doubt that, but I'm completely convinced that the people who made it did not have racist intentions. And I'm also pretty sure that Dr. Steven Boyd hates Christianity, which doesn't bother me on a personal level because I'm an atheist but it does bother me on an intellectual level because I think it's disingenuous to look at a Christian work of art and to apply an atheist value system to it that's extrinsic to the work. That's the kind of thing he should keep to himself because it's his own opinion and it has nothing to do with the film, but he's the type of guy who veils his hatred in intellectual sounding language to fool his students and listeners. He's not fooling anyone I don't think; it's obvious that he had an anti-Christian bias that made it impossible for him to understand the characters of Petunia and Little Joe. He didn't even try to do that. It's possible for an atheist to leave aside his personal objections to the whole idea of religion being used as a tool to make people complacent (Marx's whole "opium of the masses" line), and I "ridicule" Dr. Boyd for not even trying to do that because I consider it intellectually weak.

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I can see where Dr. Boyd is coming from. The film does seem condescending and parternalistic in some aspects. I don't think you can talk about this film without addressing race, racialization, racial attitudes, etc. It's a legitimate topic that merits a lengthy discussion and doesn't have to come across as a total condemnation of the film-- just an interesting way of looking at it.

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Maybe the problem then is that Dr. Boyd's analysis isn't interesting. It's not an interesting way of looking at it, it's a patronizing way of looking at it as if the film was a document and not a work of art. I certainly think that race as an issue is something worth being talked about in regards to "Cabin in the Sky", even though everything about the movie seems to divorce itself from explicitly discussing issues of race. But we can't ignore the reality that an all-black film produced by a big budget company like MGM was abnormal at that time and that certain aspects of the film speak to its nature as "typically" black entertainment. I'd rather look at the way that the film transcended race consciously than the way it was unconsciously dragged down by it. And regardless I don't think the film needs an apology.

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You couldn't be more right, funkyfry.

"Dr." Todd Boyd, Professor of Critical Studies at USC, is an idiot.

Blah, blah, blah with his fixated agenda.

With lots of "you know"'s interspersed.

Academia, as represented by "Dr" Todd, has the mentality of a low grade moron.

I liked his insistence that tap dancing represents an attempt to degrade blacks.

Eleanor Powell, the greatest female dancer, was one of the greatest tap dancers ever, male or female. Was white Eleanor Powell degrading herself by tap dancing?

What about Fred Astaire? And so many others.

Dr. Todd doesn't have a clue.

He sounds like he is speaking in a semi-drugged condition as he drones on with his one-track agenda and his "you know"'s.

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I've never seen "Cabin in the Sky" but for many years I've been aware of it as an early starring vehicle for Eddie "Rochester" Anderson and Ethel Waters, showcasing Duke Ellington's music, etc.

My question to the OP is, how might you compare "Cabin" with "Green Pastures?" I have seen the latter and it seems that much that could be said of one could be said of the other.

I could no more "apologize" for "Green Pastures" than the OP would want to "apologize" for "Cabin," for much the same reasons as the OP elaborates.

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I haven't seen "Green Pastures" actually, but thanks for the reminder because it's on my netflix list. I'll watch that one and you watch "Cabin", then we can get back together and compare notes OK?

In regards to "Green Pastures", in the second part of this thread I posted a letter that was written by Hall Johnson, of the Hall Johnson Choir which appeared in both "Green Pastures" and "Cabin in the Sky", to Vincente Minnelli. Johnson had been offered the script for the film because Minnelli and his collaborators were trying to be careful not to offend anyone's sensibilities. Appropos to the idea of the "apology", Mr. Johnson says that "Cabin" needs no apology, but he does seem to be somewhat bothered by "Pastures":

"Thanks for giving me the opportunity to read the present script for 'Cabin in the Sky.' You are to be commended for your desire to include nothing which might give offense to the Negro race -- a consideration too often overlooked in this business of motion-picture making. I think my nose is particularly keen in that direction but, so far, I have been unable to detect anything in the script which could possibly offend anybody......

The 'Cabin', as it now stands, can be offered to the general public without reservations -- needing neither explanations nor apologies.

....To this day Negroes have never forgiven the slanderous misrepresentations of 'The Green Pastures' and when after 5 successful years on the stage it was finally made into a picture, they did not hesitate to express their true feelings about it....

At the moment, the dialog in your script is a weird but priceless conglomeration of pre-Civil War constructions mixed with up-to-the-minute Harlem slang and heavily sprinkled with a type of verb which Amos and Andy purloined from Miller and Lyle, the Negro comedians; all adding up to a lingo which has never been heard or spoken on land or sea by any human being, and would most certainly be 'more than Greek' to the ignorant Georgia Negroes in your play. The script will be immeasurably improved when this is translated into honest-to-goodness Negro dialect.

Thanks again for the script to read. If your director is as sympathetic and intelligent as your script writer you will turn out a picture which will delight everybody and offend no one without an inferiority complex -- an affliction, by the way, which has almost completely died out among modern Negroes. We love nothing better than to laugh at ourselves on the stage -- when it is ourselves that we are laughing at."


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"He sounds like he is speaking in a semi-drugged condition as he drones on with his one-track agenda and his "you know"'s."

That's the way that racist people tend to speak, and I think people who are obsessed with looking at art in terms of race can be called at least obliquely racist. I have a brother-in-law who's pretty racist against black people, and whenever he talks to you about black people he talks about how "they" do such and such all the time or "they" can't do such and such, and then he kind of winks at you and says stuff like "you know" or "know what I mean?" The one time he tried it on me I said "no, I don't know what you mean." But it's a way for racist people to maintain a bubble of wisdom around themselves. In his mind, I must agree with him but I'm just too nice or polite to say so. Dr. Boyd is using it in much the same way perhaps, to make it seem like his opinion is completely obvious.

Good point about Fred Astaire and Eleanor Powell. There is a double standard in play here. For example, I've heard people complain about the TV show "Beverly Hillbillies" because they say that it presents a bad stereotype of Southerners or of country people. But they never say that it presents a negative stereotype of white people. If anything, the depiction of "Little Joe" in the film "Cabin in the Sky" is poking some fun at rural black people (which presumably would have been funny to urban black folk in the 1930s as well as to whites), but the film itself never implies that any of these characteristics are common to all black people. This is what Dr. Boyd or others of his ilk are reading into it. Which speaks to THEIR blind spots, not the film's. I have no desire to lump all black people together in any way, but perhaps it could be said that Dr. Boyd does. When you look at every single depiction of a black character as being a representative of the entire black race, the fault lies with you and not with the work of art or the representation.

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You make the most intelligent comments I've read at IMDb. I agree the Boyd commentary on the film is worthless or worse, and I'm unable to sit through it while waiting for the other voices. The film is an absolute treasure. I don't know of any other film that showcased so much talent (and beauty!).

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Dr. Boyd may be like other DVD analysts who get carried away with the sound of their own voices. I mean a guy like Rudy Behlmer(sp?), who talks about everything EXCEPT the movie on screen. Obviously he doesn't talk about race, but seems to avoid the film at hand.
BTW, I like CABIN IN THE SKY and STORMY WEATHER if only because the talents in both flicks are incomparable and would cost 10 fortunes nowadays.

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First, it is disrespectful for you to put "Dr." in "quotes" like that. The man earned his degree, whether you approve of his audio commentary or not.

Second, you may need to look into the history of Black images in American cinema; Black performers and characters were marginalized into certain stereotypical roles that they had to stay within, and yes, one of those was tap dancing. Plenty of Black performers of the era have talked about having to tone down or alter their acts and *smile* in order to get parts as dancers in film, which, while a great opportunity, offered little opportunity to show the full range of what some of these people could actually do.

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First, it is disrespectful for you to put "Dr." in "quotes" like that. The man earned his degree, whether you approve of his audio commentary or not.


I don't see why. His PhD is in Communications Studies and he doesn't exactly hold back on trashing other people in African American culture. Why shouldn't he get some push-back on that?

Boyd is an academic who has made a career out of saying hip-hop is the end-all and be-all of African artistic culture, and who has come under criticism by older colleagues for saying African Americans today shouldn't have any respect for the Civil Rights movement heroes or previous African American generations. He's gotten a nice sideline in doing movie commentaries, but that doesn't mean he's an especially appropriate choice for Classic Hollywood film, in light of his contempt for the aspect of African American history and culture that films like "Cabin in the Sky" represent. It sounds as though he got picked because he's the go-to African American academic for Hollywood studios and doesn't seem to mind being their token AA expert one bit.

Second, you may need to look into the history of Black images in American cinema; Black performers and characters were marginalized into certain stereotypical roles that they had to stay within, and yes, one of those was tap dancing. Plenty of Black performers of the era have talked about having to tone down or alter their acts and *smile* in order to get parts as dancers in film, which, while a great opportunity, offered little opportunity to show the full range of what some of these people could actually do.


Dancers -- especially those doing tapdance, during the 30s, 40s and 50s -- had a fixed grin on their faces the entire time they danced. Race had nothing to do with that. Ann Miller, for example, shows just as many teeth in "Shakin' the Blues Away" in "Easter Parade" as anyone in "Cabin in the Sky." And when the kitchen tapdance gives way to Little Joe dancing, he *doesn't* grin because that's not the custom in that kind of dance.

Now, were African American performers in Classic Hollywood marginalized and forced to take on subservient, stereotypical roles that reduced their opportunities onscreen? Obviously. But it seems a tad bizarre to complain about that in a film that was intended to give those same performers a chance to shine in ways they couldn't in films with white leads. African Americans take on every role in this film, from God right on down to the Devil.

Are there flaws? Sure. I think the dialect hasn't aged too well and the whole saint-slut dynamic they've got going with codependent Petunia and narcissistic Georgia Brown is just...ugh. But overall, this film is a rare chance to see a reversal of the all-white universe default so many Classic Hollywood films went for and therefore get tons of A-level African American talent all in one story. As such, a warning label seems a bit counterproductive.

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I heartily agree. "Cabin in the Sky" needs no apology from Warner Brothers. Excellent story line, excellence in entertainment, excellence in talent. Like you, I don't see the depiction of Black characters or actors as 'problematic' to use Dr. Boyd's favorite phrase. And yes, comment about Harold Ahrlen and Yip Harburg as Jewish contributers to Black culture would have been appreciated. As well as comment about Duke Ellington's band. Anyone who has studied Tin Pan Alley, knows that Jews and Blacks intermingled freely in that musical world of jazz clubs. Michael Feinstein in his DVD "The Great American Songbook" pays respect to the Black presence in American culture while also acknowledging stereotypes of vaudeville.

I always enjoy commentaries to the films. I like hearing background stories --gossip, if you will--about actors, directors; background story of the time of production... That is always fascinating. And somehow it was reassuring to hear the voices of Mrs. Eddie Anderson and his daughter reminding us that he was a real person... I do think Dr. Boyd gets carried away with the 'problematic' racial relations and depictions. "Cabin in the Sky" is excellence by any standard and needs no apology.

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Since you want to be like this, let me say that Dr. Boyd shouldn't be apologizing in any way, that he's right, and that all your commentary shows is that we have a long, long, long, way to go as far as racial matters are concerned.

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"Cabin in the Sky" has an disclaimer because Warner Bros.' legal team required it to have one to prevent them from being sued or publicly criticized while still making the film available. They appear on most films Warner Bros. reissues that feature stereotyping or sexism ("Hallelujah!" and the "Tom & Jerry" cartoons have similar disclaimers).

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What legal ramifications could this film cause? It's a stylized, but extremely human musical.

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