what was that plane?


In "Air Force," when the Mary Ann is on the island, there are single-seat fighter planes seen taking off that have a single prop, pointy nose with a cannon sticking out of it. I don't recognize this plane at all, but they are seen a number of times in the film.

When you air combat experts or Jane's Warplanes scholars see this, please let me know what it is?

It looks a little like some of the early fighters used by the Russians...

Thanks,

stv

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The fighter you mentioned is a Bell P-39 Airacobra.

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Sturmovik461
Nice video! Just to clear something up-the USSR rarely if ever used the P-39/63 in a ground attack role-that was covered quite well already by the IL2. They were used primarily as front-line fighters taking on the best that the Luftwaffe had to offer. In fact the P-39 has the distinction of having the most kills with a single pilot of any US built aircraft-the Soviet ace Rechkalov scored 44 victories in his P-39. Interesting bit of history about an interesting airplane!

xtreme1982641
I've also heard stories of Soviet aces like Alexander Pokryshkin who scored 47 of his 59 victories flying the P-39 and the other was Grigoriy Rechkalov who scored 44 victories in Airacobras. They were well loved by Soviet pilots who flew them. I think the only American P-39 ace was Bill Fiedler with 5 victories. I think both the P-39 and P-63 are great looking warbirds as well. They're awesome machines.

rpurdey
There's reason to believe Larry Bell asked to remove the turbo himself. His company had spent a fortune on the (X and Y)FM-1 Airacuda and were in a world of financial hurt. You're right about removing the turbo, while hurting speed and climb at altitude it significantly improved speed and maneuverability at lower altitudes AND gave them a plane they could start selling almost immediately.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUuhLD6pQFA


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Those aircraft are Bell P-39 "Airacobras". The USAAF did not have very good luck with the type in combat but several thousand were supplied to the Soviet Air Force via "Lend-Lease" during the war and were used to good effect for close air support and as tank-busters.

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In fact just last year they found one frozen in a Siberian tundra lake complete with well preserved (but dead all the same) Russian pilot with his lunch (also dead). He was shuttling the plane from Alaska to the Asian theatre. There is an article in the magazine "Warbirds".
Like somebody is acually going to read this message!!

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I read your message - but there wasn't much left of the pilot except some bones...

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Actually I've read (somewhere) That later versions of the P-39 were pretty good medium fighters and ground support planes. They added superchargers to give them elevation and power, and O2 for the piolet. They were used by the US in the ETO, and of course Russia

This is the only movie that shows a P-39 that I know of, and also shows a B-17 in its original configuration, with the gun blisters on the sides, center gondola instead of a belly gunner, NO top Turret, No Tail Gun.

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Actually Foster there was one other movie (made prior to this one) that featured the B-17 as depicted here.The Clark Gable movie "Test Pilot" made in the late thirties featured one at the end.Gable is testing it to see how high it can go(and eventually crashes and dies while doing so).Im not sure if its on DVD but TCM shows it on occasion.

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which issue? do you have a url?
thanks!

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Hi, I don't know the exact name of the plane but it was called "a Pea shooter".
My father was in the Army Air Corp in WWII and I watched the film with him as a child. I remember him calling them by that name.
Also, "Robbie" says that his son ,who was a fighter pilot in the film,"Got himself one of them Pea shooters".
You may want to contact the history channel about this. Not long ago the aired a segment on early WWII fighter planes.
As a note the plane had lots of draw backs to it. One of the biggest was that the plane had a "door" that opened(much like a car door) allowing the pilot to exit or enter.
This design caused the doors to come open at very bad times for the pilots! Like dogfights with the enemy!!!!!!!!
Hope this helps!
Robert

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I believe the Peashooter was a Grumann Bi-plane

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The "Peashooter" referred to by Robbie was a Boeing P-26.

See wikipedia entry for details and a picture:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P-26_Peashooter

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No, actually the doors rarely "came open" in a dogfight or any other time. Most current "general aviation" aircraft (Pipers, Cessnas, Mooneys, Beech, etc.) all have doors for entry, and they rarely come open unless improperly latched. Of course they're not "dogfighting" either!

And even when a door comes open, it's not a critical problem in flight. The airstream holds the door mostly shut anyway. By slowing down a bit, most pilots can shut an open door if its within their reach. It isn't within arm's reach on some aircraft, but a normal landing can be performed whether the door is latched or not.

The problem with a "door" on a fighter aircraft (as opposed to a sliding canopy) was that it was more difficult for a pilot in full flight gear and parachute to bail out of a crippled aircraft.

It is much easier to pop off a canopy and roll over and "fall out" of an aircraft, than to unbuckle, open a door, and crawl through a door opening.

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Other fighters with doors were the Spitfire and the P-38 Lightning. Neither obviously were affected by it...

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Wikipedia has a great overview and pictures on the P-39 Airacobra.

Click on the link below:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P-39_Airacobra

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Yes, the Peashooter was the USAAC's early 1930's, fixed undercarriage, Boeing P-26, though the term "peashooter" was applied by many Americans to all single-engine fighters (the term may have derived, at least in part, as a corruption of the AAC's designation of fighters as pursuit planes, which gave USAAC/USAAF fighters of their day their P- prefix).

Though many of 'Air Force's' combat footage is bathub (aircraft models "flown" along wires), there are some interesting, quick actual aerial shots of the Republic P-43 Lancer, the predecessor of the P-47 Thunderbolt. The P-43 never saw more than experimental service with the AAC/AAF, but some were supplied to Generalissimo Chiang Kai Shek's Nationalist Chinese Air Force. In this film you can pick out the P-43 by its resemblances to differencs from the P-47; the P-43 has twin machine guns faired into its upper cowling, and it doesn't have the cowling chin intake later incorporated into the P-47.

The Bell P-39 Airacobra was not a great fighter, in part owing to its excessive inherent stability which resulted from its Allison V-12 engine being mounted BEHIND the pilot, placing too much stable weight at right about the P-39's center-of-gravity. The engine drove a drive shaft that ran bewteen the pilot's legs, and farther forward a 37mm cannon was arranged to fire through the propeller drive shaft. Many Axis fighters also outmatched the P-39 because its Allison engine gave its optimal output at low altitudes - when the Airacobra went higher its performance thus fell rapidly off, and this is why the P-39 did its best work at low altitude, often in the fighter-bomber/ground attack/anti-armor roles.

I believe the Airacobras shown in 'Air Force' are actually export versions of the P-39 ordered by the British Purchasing Commission for the RAF; the USAAC designated this British export version the P-400. The P-400 differed from US P-39's in minor details and in one major detail: its cannon, owing to British armament specification, was a 20mm Hispano cannon instead of the 37mm Oldsmobile cannon mounted in the US P-39. The nose cannon of the Airacobras in 'Air Force' look to be the British-specified Hispano 20mm cannon of the P-400.

Right after the Jap attacks on Pearl Harbor, the Philippines, Malaya, Guam, and Wake Island, the USAAC found itself rather short of planes in some categories, so a good many of the British-specified P-400's were commandeered by the USAAC/USAAF and some of these were sent to operate from Henderson Field on Guadalcanal and, if I recall correctly, some P-400's also operated from Port Moresby on the southeast coast of what was then New Guinea (now it's Papau New Guinea).

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The P-26 was called the Peashooter because of the long gunsight which looked like, well, a peashooter.
KS

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The 37 mm. cannon that fired through the nose had a very slow rate of fire and low muzzle velocity. Chuck Yeager is fond of telling stories of P-39 pilots who used this big gun. They claimed they could see the round leave the barrel and immediately begin slowly moving ahead and downward. Of course it was a powerful weapon if the pilot managed to hit anything.

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The worlds only original flying Boeing P-26 Peashooter takes to the sky at the Planes Of Fame Airshow on May 4,2013. Starting the P-26 requires quite a physical effort on the part of one of the ground crew. This video includes the start, taxi, take off, flyby, landing. it was great to see this aircraft fly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsbUPxT3JO8

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was a North American 0-47.

Click on the link below to view details:
http://www.daveswarbirds.com/usplanes/aircraft/o-47.htm

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P-39 Air Cobra or Airacobra. This plane was sold or given to the Soviets. It was a subpar fighter even in its prime.
You maybe thinking of the Yak series of Soviet fighters, of which the Yak-9(?) may have been the most produced plane of WWII; that or the bf Me-109.

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If I remember correctly, Air Force legend Chuck Yeager named the P-39 as his favorite plane to fly. I guess he flew it when he was a young sergeant-pilot, and always had a fondness for the airplane.

On the subject of the P-400, a joke in the Pacific went like this; "Question; What's a P-400? Answer; A P-40 with a Zero on it's tail!"

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It was the first fighter in history with a tricycle undercarriage and the first to have the engine installed in the center fuselage, behind the pilot. Although its mid-engine placement was innovative, the P-39 design was handicapped by the absence of an efficient turbo-supercharger, limiting it to low-altitude work. The P-39 was used with great success by the Soviet Air Force, who scored the highest number of individual kills attributed to any U.S. fighter type.[N 1] Other important users were the Free French and co-belligerent Italian air forces. Together with the derivative P-63 Kingcobra, these aircraft became the most successful mass-produced fixed-wing aircraft manufactured by Bell.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tST2Jz7TxM

and an Xtra, the P-63 Kingcobra

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUuhLD6pQFA

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I guess we should look for reply posts before posting replies. I didn't see the P-39 post. Xin loi.

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For Fun

1939 Newsreel Bell Bell XFM-1 Airacuda

machia0705
turbosupercharging in P-38 Allisons, dooming the Curtiss P-40 and Bell P-39 to mediocrity

machia0705
first achieve 600 mph with a turbine engine. Allison developed a V1710 engine (Allison V-1710-E27) to a 3,000 hp rating with turbosupercharging for high altitudes, but lost interest in developing it further, as engine manufacturers turned to developing the new turbine engines. The Allison V1710 came a long way from when it was first fitted in the Bell Airacuda, but never got enjoyed the praise of its reliability and potential like the Rolls Royce Merlin. Mainly because the US Army only allowed..




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDs0SANU3lM

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