The situation depicted in the movie is close to our own time. As England is being invaded .At the momment the common people have not unified to prevent their homeland being takenover. Meantime we have treachery in high places by those seeking to profit by the invasion.
Went The Day Well ? We are yet to know.
By whom are we being invaded?
sharelook around -where do you live , i do not think its london. Probably somewhere like Devon.
shareIt's Sheffield but Devon would be nice.
I had a look around as you suggested and saw: McDonalds, Burger King, Pizza Hut, Starbucks, Coca-Cola, Multiplexes showing Hollywood films, the NHS sliding towards being a private healthcare delivery system, British people saying "Awesome!" and "Talk to the hand, girlfriend.", tacky gameshows and generic cop shows on TV (sorry, on telly), etc.
I thought, "My God, he's right! Someone should form a resistance movement."
Well Sheffield is not taken over as in the movie its in stages.
One beachead near you is Leicester.
Other beacheads Birmingham, Most of East London, stage by stage most of England. Went The Day Well ?
Interesting. I thought you were talking about the overt Americanisation of British culture. What is it about those towns that makes them vulnerable to invaders and who do you see as the colonising army?
shareI don't think Americanisation of our culture amounts to much.
British culture is this some vague thing in my view Engish culture is created and exists when the majority of people are English and small numbers of people from other lands become assimilated into it. The existance of Japan , Isreal, France as nations with a unique culture and identity rests on them being populated by respectively Japanese, Jewishish or French people .
If the majority of people in England, as is the Labour Goverments plan, cease to be English then their is no more England.
The culture of one's own country is indeed hard to define and describe as an insider, it's an everyday experience with parameters that you only understand when you live in another culture for a while.
Surely though, the majority of people living in England are English by dint of their citizenship unless you subscribe to Bernard Manning's analogy of dogs and horses?
Have you not noticed the Americanisation of Britain Peter? I would have thought it would have been more apparent in London. Perhaps you don't get out much.
I think that its England if the majority of people in it are English as I understand it you think it would still be England if the majority of people in what was the nation where from China, Africa, or wherever. So long as the held a bit of paper calling them British citizens.
As it happens a very large part of the London population , soon to be the majority where born in other lands or have parents who where.
To be honest, as long as someone is OK with me and is pleasant and good natured, I'm happy to share territory with them. I know people who have ancestry here going back hundreds of years and who are ignorant, aggressive and boorish. I also know people who've just stepped off the boat who happen to be kind, friendly and congenial.
The spirit of Englishness is often described as decency and fair play but you don't have to have to be white and have a great great grandfather who was born here to hold those values dear. Accordingly, just because someone is white and has a great great grandfather who was born here, it doesn't follow that they will live by those principles.
You do not want to give a direct reply to my question. ?
Do you think it will still be England if most of the people living here are not English?
Incidentially the nation state of Israel defines itself as being a specific Jewish state <yes this includes some black and asiatic jews> I ressume you still think it would still be Israel if most of the people where Japanese living there.
No you do not have to be white and have a great grandfather born here to hold these values or appreciate the writtings of Englands many famous writters but you are intent on denying the existance of an English nation.
If you think it would still be England if most of the people living here where from Central Africa ok go ahead.
In the movie Went The Day Well the people had to choose whose side you are on.
When the labour party sells out the country <eg Jack Straws support for Turkey in the EU> to keep the muslim vote in key marginals whose side will you be on.
Oh well when we end up with Shaira law there will always be an England.
So what is the 'choosing sides' situation in present-day Britain?
I don't dispute that Labour is selling out the country (among their myriad other faults) & that the Tories would be just as likely to do so, but what are you referring to when you say they are selling us out (& why is claiming support for Turkeys entry (which is VERY unlikely to happen, apparently) 'selling out'?
How sure are you that 'marginal seats' is the reason, & why would it be.... I mean, why would Muslim voters care about Turkeys entry (which is hardly a 'radical' Muslim state)???
...& why would Sharia Law affect any of us non-Muslims?
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"Do you think it will still be England if most of the people living here are not English?"
Surely if they are living here they are English? It'd be easier to give a yes or no answer if you asked a logical question.
If you're really asking if I believe it would still be England if most of the people living here weren't white or had settled here relatively recently from foreign countries then I'd have to reply that yes it would be England but the culture would probably change to some degree. But then cultures do change as the years go by whether there is immigration or not, look how different it is now compared to other decades.
There are already vast differences between the indigenous population anyway. Personally, I have very little in common with the people who live on the wealthy side of my city but I'm expected by some to identify with them on a racial basis because they have the same colour skin as me. That seems to be an irrational assumption, what do I talk about with someone who has three foreign holidays a year, a seven bedroomed house in the suburbs, a managing directorship of their dad's company and who earns more a month than I do in a year? I can find plenty to talk about with people who share similar lifestyles and concerns to me though regardless of what they look like or their slightly different genetic origins.
I would argue that there is a culture in Britain and it's a good thing that there is, a country without a culture is dead. It's not the same culture as it was in the 40s but I don't think that's so bad. Yes, sometimes there are immigrants to this country who bring entrenched, backward beliefs and behaviour patterns with them but if most of the immigrants did so, as the Daily Mail would have us believe, I think it'd be so obvious everyone would notice.
Surely a more pressing question is: Is it still England if it's politicians are puppets of the corporate American state and the IMF?
Eloquently put but I have to disagree. I have nothing in common with either the typical Skegness Holiday visitor or the boat owners of Henley On Thames. Yet they are part of the mosaic which makes England.
The Village of Bramley Green, in Went The Day Well, is England.If its mostly populated by Asian, African and Muslim migrants it will not be.
"...once you've picked your way through the philistines, fascists and racist tossers."
Indeed so, Squeethster.
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Turkey gets admitted into the EU then a few million come into the UK, getting the housing market moving again. More importantly they vote labour or displace others who move out of the Turkish enclaves.
Whatever this coming large Turkish population added to the massive existing ethnic population will aid labours project of transforming England so that it is no longer a real nation any more.
Shira law effects no one unless its the law of the land they live in. Don't be to sure it will not become our law.
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Squeeth the invaders are already here or have you not noticed
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"Culture is a bourgeois pose, thus inherently fascist."
I hope you were at a beatnik poetry reading session in someone's cellar wearing a black polo neck and smoking Gauloises when you said that or it doesn't quite work Squeeth!
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Not to worry, Was it not Wilde who said, "Fashion is a form of ugliness so intolerable that we have to alter it every six months"? For peterking7777's benefit, Oscar Wilde was some shirtlifting immigrant bog trotter who contributed nothing to British culture.
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Hi Gular-Scute what has Anglo-Irish Oscar Wilde got to do with anything on this thread?
As you and Squeth plainly care nothing for England can you tell us which country in the world you think is best for quality of life.
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Squeeth do you hate England and the English people from your post it would seem to be so.
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"Turkey gets admitted into the EU then a few million come into the UK, getting the housing market moving again. More importantly they vote labour or displace others who move out of the Turkish enclaves.
Whatever this coming large Turkish population added to the massive existing ethnic population will aid labours project of transforming England so that it is no longer a real nation any more.
Shira law effects no one unless its the law of the land they live in. Don't be to sure it will not become our law."
Why on earth would the Labour Party have that objective?
...& why would Sharia Law be introduced here (for anyone but Muslims anyway) unless the population was predominantly Muslim, & how long do you think THAT will take?
Not that I want to see Sharia Law here even for Muslims....
"You're a true vulgarian, aren't you!"
I love England, there are many things about it I cherish and wish to preserve; it's countryside, it's traditions, history, architecture, films and literature etc, not so much it's politics or it's class ridden inequalities. It has it's problems but I wouldn't want to live anywhere else. I don't care for patriotism or nationalism, they just smack of excuses for the ruling class to send young men to war.
I can't envision how the ethnic minorities are going to take over and destroy all the good things about Britain, the majority of them are hardworking pleasant people who just want to get on with their lives like anybody else. There is a very small unenlightened, zealous and extremist gobsh*te element but there will be wherever you go in the world and whatever colour people you meet.
Despite what you might read in BNP pamphlets or on hate sites Peter, Britain isn't about to turn into an oppressive, medieval theocracy full of turbanned fanatics brandishing scimitars, screaming "Death to the infidel sons of peegs!" and replacing your Christmas dinner with a flogging session in the local mosque, those types don't have the numbers to bring it about.
Exactly...well said.
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so basically, Peter, in you very bad syntax and grammar you are trying to explain that you are a racist ? Just to simplify things here ? .....
shareSo basically , mosthappyfella you are trying to explain, that a near future in which the English people have minority status`in England is ok?
shareHow do you infer that from what he said, Peter?
...& I have to ask, whats suddenly & overwhelmingly about to happen in the 'near future' that will bring about what "you" predict?
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Brownblur its not my prediction. Its actually been demographic projections by experts which have even appeared in the liberal section of the UK press such as the Guardian and the Observer . No one has refuted the statement only the time scale. Of course the NuLabour goverment whose very policy is mass immigration are covering up the true size of the ethnic population as is.
Both Birmingham and Leicester all ready have majority ethnic populations as soon will London.
".....Both Birmingham and Leicester already have majority ethnic populations as soon will London...."
Got anything to confirm that claim? Or are you just extrapolating from the fact that a couple of London Boroughs have a non-native or ethnic majority (which is hardly a new situation actually....consider how Golders Green has been for a very long time)?
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Hi Squeeth is that not a typical leftish response happy to look down on the white underclass and their lifestyle. But if anyone refers to Gangsta groups in our inner cities why thats evil racism.
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Peter basically right.Mass immigration,EU domination,petty bureaucracy,political correctness,multiculturalism-it seems that Britain isn't Britain any more.I want to see a land in which everyone speaks Englis and in which the aqforementioned no longer exist.
shareWasn't this film filmed in a village called Turville, which I think is in Buckinghamshire (I could be wrong on the county)? I believe that "The Vicar of Dibley" was also filmed there.
shareCan anybody tell me where it was filmed?
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Squeeth what i do not understand is why you, I presume, are happy to see England of today invaded . Bramley End was a strategic beachead. Now many of our major cities seem like it.
Incidentialy apart from "Eagle Has Landed" rip off , this film inspired classic Avengers episode Town Of No Return. In which England is taken over town by town.Several posters on amren.com , US anti-immigration site refered to this story.
Let me guess you are a "life on Mars" Billy Bragg type , who thinks in terms of white working class people and the evil BNP stirring up resentment over a few Asians.
Well the world has changed. Mass migration means that the wages of the lower paid are driven downwards and land values upwards to the advantage of the Rich.
The social costs falling on the middle classes and the social consequences on the working classes .
Remember in the movie its the Squire who was the collaborator , much as the rich and powerfull have been happy to collaborate with the Animal Farm Pig Party.
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oh yeah just as i thought trapped in a 1970s time warp. In case you have not noticed world socialism has gone down the lavatory pan of history. Also American power and the dollar is on the wane.
The fact is that the English working class are fast finding themselves in competion with that of 3 billion Asians, with Nulabour happy to see their jobs outsourced and what can't be relocated , mainly food production, processing and distribution by lower wage Eastern Europeans.
As for having a go at people because of religious difference have you not noticed that its the Muslims who are ethnicaly cleansing their areas of black and white people.
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Squeeth I agree with you that NuLabour has become the animal farm pig party but can you give any good reasons why the English working class stand to gain by NuLabours mass migration policy. Other then a few might be able to borrow from loan sharks on the increased value of their council house.
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I thought you were saying it was the Labour Party who wanted immigrants to outnumber us, & force Sharia Law on the rest of us?
"I deride your truth-handling abilities!"
brownblur i never said that the NuLabour party wanted us to become a Muslim country . However they where prepared to suck up to the Muslim vote , a key factor in some 50 uk voting constituancies .
It was not the BNP whos warned that labours "religous hatred law " as originally preposed was aimed at this but the Christian evangelical churches , including in The Voice, the main black churches.
NuLabour the party who has betrayed ever value of its founders and whose members care only about their own bank account or property portfolio.
The true spirit of Nulabour Gordon Brown -as student hero Stalin
Blair -wife got poor poll tax defulters jailed
He got us to invade Iraq -ensuring his profile was raised in America now making millions in the USA
How about labour MP Tony Anthony Clarke , former football thug , who pretended to be against the Iraq`war this evil Judas then betrayed civil servents who reveled the truth/
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yes you might be right , what i do not comprehend is why you are happy with NuLabour mass immigration policy.
On its website the Daily Mail will allow me and vast numbers to blame NuLabour for mass immigration, even if said very diplomaticaly to refer to certain groups high serious crime rates e.g drive-bys.
Yet they will not let me say that lots of people wanted their property portfolio to go up and mass immigration gave them what they wanted.
Anyway please tell us why you think mass immigration is advantagous to the old working class.
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I do not see much evidence of this racist policy. As plane loads of Muslims and African arrive every day. Harvesting the best educated people from overseas say softwear designers from Delhi is one thing but i assume you are perfectly happy for millions of people from Nigeria to come and settle in the UK .
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Hi Squeeth as you seem to be enjoying the slow destruction of England check out www.amren.com january 10 postings eastern europeans targeted / curry chef/
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So Squeeth why the cheap insults i am not gay but are you un-pc "homophobic"
What England , there is a Japan and a Norway but you want us to believe that if Norway was populated by people from say Nigeria or Japan by people from say Egypt they would still be what we think of as those soon countries.
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So a Nationalist is bad . You mean most of the people in most of the nations for most of history.
You i presume are soom old style marxist internationalist .
Lets see large population increase in Africa , millions of Africans want to live in the west, there was a story on this in the Guardian only last week.
Meantime China is on track to become a dominant economic and globel power. Not many internationalists in China.
You stuck in your world goverment Star Trek fantasy utopia.
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Tne New Xenophobes are typically just 'would-be bullies' who want to 'prove' the size of their balls by 'dominating' the behaviour of those they dont see as being in their clique. It's really no more 'mature' than that, IMO. Playground stuff.
Yours is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.
This thread reminds me of two bald headed men fighting over a comb (to paraphrase one wit's take on the Falklands War)
To the OP - there really is no HMG plan to ethnically cleanse the nation; look at the percentiles, there is only one single local authority area in the whole of the UK in which white Britons do not form a majority, that's in east London and twas ever thus. London (and the UK) has always been a magnet for migrants. Prior to east Asians it was eastern Europeans and prior to them it was Hugenots etc etc etc. Nations that have a destiny with atrophy set themselves against controlled immigration, successful nation states actively seek out the best and the brightest (or even just the strongest and the cheapest).
And to Squeeth - I have never subscribed to the idea that bigotry is somehow acceptable if aimed against 'one's own'. Surely you don't need to pillory white Britons in order to best the OP's argument? I thought rather more of you than that.
"Someone has been tampering with Hank's memories."
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I didn't realise that 50 million 21st century English people are to be gauged on apocryphal tales of Napoleonic Hartlepool
"Someone has been tampering with Hank's memories."
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That would suggest that disquiet about immigration is a peculilarly English trait and that's not the case.
I don't disagree that some English people are narrow-minded and vicious - I do not however think that of 'the English people', nor do I automatically place nationality 'A' above nationality 'B'.
Some of the things you have written in this thread are redolent of what George Orwell said about a certain type of Englishman: that he would rather be caught stealing from the church poor box than standing for the National Anthem. Personally, I take people as I find them - I know good and bad English, good and bad Scots, good and bad Irish; I don't consider myself any better than an Irishman or a Scot purely by blood, just as I don't support those who take the opposite view. Bigotry suddenly does not become acceptable merely because it's aimed at white Anglo-Saxons.
"Someone has been tampering with Hank's memories."
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Well I regret that your experience of life in England makes you punt bigotry just as I am glad that mine does not. As for racism being government policy, that's rot - I'm disappointed that you can't stick to the facts.
"Someone has been tampering with Hank's memories."
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Of course, looking at decades old legislation. The BNA and earlier CW immigration acts were products of their time and using them as a point of debate as to whether HMG in the 21st Century operates a racist immigration policy is akin to using the Corn Laws as a method to dissect current UK policy on external trade. Following your definition of 'racist policy', perhaps I can rate France as being institutionally racist or even Germany (or even your beloved Ireland) for the acts of its governments in the past. I shan't, but I could and it would be utterly pointless.
I'd like you to show me how government policy is racist today. Show me where current immigration policy explicitally discriminates against non white/Anglo-Saxon migrants.
And as for name-calling - I will call out a bigot whenever I see one and I'm sorry if that upsets you.
"Someone has been tampering with Hank's memories."
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Err....is that it? So no detail about how current HMG policy is racist? Quelle surprise.
Don't forget to wrap up warm this weekend when you're manning the SWP wallpaper table down the town centre.
"Someone has been tampering with Hank's memories."
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You and peterking should set up house together - you can breastfeed each other.
"Someone has been tampering with Hank's memories."
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Which is why I wear pantaloons
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One cannot touch this
"Someone has been tampering with Hank's memories."
What England , there is a Japan and a Norway but you want us to believe that if Norway was populated by people from say Nigeria or Japan by people from say Egypt they would still be what we think of as those soon countries.
You're a racist. Why don't you grow a pair and admit it? You make me ashamed to be English.
"What I want for Christmas is please go away!" - Martin Tasker.
How can you be English. Other than as a geographic location on the GPS.
Defining yourself as English that seems racist.
This is certainly a film of our time.
The fight against Nazis and bigots like the OP must continue!
Its that man again!!