. . . Great, Great Grandmother?
If Leopold was his great, great, Grandfather, then Kate was great, great, Grandmother.
Oh well. Even in today's society, they'd be far enough removed to be able to marry.
P.S. You have to watch the Director's Cut to learn that tidbit.
This was really obvious to me. Did no one else catch this? I thought this was...ICKY. Even with the generational differences.
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It all depends on what version of the film you watch. The theatrical cut doesn't mention that they are related, but the Directors cut does. I think if you watch it on TV, they show the theatrical version so you couldn't have known.
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I just watched it on cable and they never addressed that.
He was decended from Leopold?
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How could you not know they were related in any version of the film? If Leopold is Stuarts Great Great Grandfather and Kate ends up being with him, it is quite obvious that she is his Great Great Grandmother...
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How could you not know they were related in any version of the film? If Leopold is Stuarts Great Great Grandfather and Kate ends up being with him, it is quite obvious that she is his Great Great Grandmother...
Even in the theatrical version, Stuart mentions that he is one of Leopold's descendants, which makes them related no matter what.
It wasn't until I watched the director's cut and they specifically say that Leopold was his Great-Grandfather, that I knew their actual relationship.
Either way, I still think it's gross. That generational difference makes another relationship kinda odd. It means that Charlie is Stuart's great-great uncle, because he's Kate's brother.
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Unbelieveable. So Stuart brought his great great grandfather to the future and falled in love with his ex who being his great great grandmother??! WOW.
shareI just saw the director's cut for the first time, and couldn't help being a little nauseous over realizing that Stuart had been boinking his great great grandmother.! I liked the movie a lot more when I had only seen the theatrical version, and didn't have that nonsense in the back of my mind through the whole thing. This movie needed a better director, that's for sure! I like it anyway!
shareWhy they(director and writer) should make the link between Stuart and Leopold anyway?? Make it laughable and shockable. It was fine and leave a sweet memory when we didn't know about Stuart is Leopold's descent!
shareI have just re-watched my copy of K&L. I bought the video a year or so after it was released so there is no director commentary/version on it. I've watched the movie several times in that time and never once heard any reference to Stuart and Leopold being related! I never had any idea about it until I read it now on IMDB. Where in the non-theatrical version do they mention that?
shareactually, if you think about it logically, there's no way kate could be his great-great-grandmother. in order for stuart to be alive, leopold has to marry somebody, right? if leopold doesn't marry somebody, stuart never exists. hence, if stuart never exists, how can he date kate? so leopold ends up marrying somebody else, maybe miss tree, and stuart becomes the man that he is. kate and leopold get married, kate may be barren or something and never have kids, hence stuart never exists. or kate doesn't have kids at the exact timing for the future to continue in the other path for stuart to have existed in. you get what i mean? i thought kate would end up being his great-great-grandmother, too. but stuart may have existed only because of the marriage with a different woman.
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I get your point but Leopold came from the past and everything is happened in the past,including Stuart's ancestor created in the past. And then today the present,Stuart comes to his great great grandfather's time BEFORE HE(Leopold)MARRY! If you think it right using the theory of time travel then you will get it. IT ALL HAPPENED BECAUSE OF STUART. The fact is Kate disappeared and lived in Leopold's time ever after. Kate exists to be married by Leopold,that's her destiny.
shareThat's why the director's cut (with Leopold as Stuart's great great grandfather or whatever) makes no sense. Why would Stuart knowingly change history, the possibility of his very existence, by condoning Kate go back in time to be with Leopold, even helping her to do so? If he thought for one second he'd cease to exist as a result, he wouldn't do it. And, Leopold only said he'd marry at the end because he despaired of ever seeing his true love, Kate, again. If you recall, at the beginning, he was all like "How can I pledge eternally what I haven't felt momentarily?" to his Uncle, pretty much suggesting he wasn't going to "take a wife...marry" like his Uncle wanted him to before his little trip forward in time.
shareYou must have missed the point of space/time being 'like a pretzel... he was meant to go back, and so was she (Kate)'
This was Stuart acknowledging that everything that happened was meant to happen, so this was explanation of how Kate could be his great great grandmother, or whatever.
Even if this logic works, it still leaves a 50 percent plot hole intact. Taking the Duke away from his surroundings causes elevators to suddenly disappear/malfunction (hence, taking the Duke away from his future career, stops every consequence of this career).
So, if taking him away from the 19th century should annihilate the rest of his life, at least professionally, then how didn't it annihilate the rest of his personal life as well? If elevators disappeared, so should his progeny.
You can explain it a lot of ways but this plot hole still is a plot hole. If the elevators disappear/break down, so should Stuart. If Stuart doesn't disappear, so shouldn't the elevators.
You're right if the present changes in one way it should change in others. Maybe that's why time travel paradoxes should be considered more even in a rom com.
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stuart may not have realized he'd be possibly killing himself. and even if he did, he may have truly cared for kate and wanted her to be happy. and "condoning" somebody to live in the past? i would LOVE to be able to live in the past. leopold was right, the speed of the day was much slower. we move much too fast today, and don't really appreciate the simple things anymore. and stuart only changed history because he never exactly figured out how to blend in. if he was gonna blend in, he should've taken pictures as a newspaper reporter or something, and learn mannerisms of the time. he may have gotten the clothes right, but he clearly stood out, especially in his mannerisms, even his gait. and i think, since he couldn't have known that kate would be following him to the past, leopold should've basically said "up yours" to his uncle when he gave leopold the ultimatum and found some other way to make his fortune. he knew there was a choice, he was just, before, kinda too cowardly to make it. and that is said with no offense whatsoever to miss tree. she seemed like a lovely girl with a heart capable of love and affection, who was just cursed, as many of us are, by having looks that aren't society's idea of pretty or beautiful.
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I think everyone is forgetting the fact that he saw her in the picture. She was always meant to go back in time and marry leopold. She was in the picture that Stuart took, she was already there. that's how history was supposed to go, Kate going back in tiem.
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What Stuart said when he and Charlie were in the taxi was that "the whole thing was a 4d pretzel" in that he was meant to go back in time, Leopold was meant to come forward and then Kate was also meant to go back in order for the present to work out the way that it eventually would. That is what he figured out when he looked at the pictures and saw that Kate was in them.
I'm glad Kate ended up with Leo and I understand how that ensures Stuart's existence and his future lineage, but I still think it's a little nasty that he and Kate slept together! For what, four years?
1. I never saw the "director's cut," I have only seen the theatrical cut on cable. But somewhere I did get the impression Stuart did make some INDIRECT reference to being related/descended from Leopold.
2. Since the movie is based on logical stretches, here's one more: Maybe Stuart and Kate never had sex? Maybe that's one reason why they decided to break up.
I left the theatre after watching this movie chuckling at the same thing. In the original release that I saw, it was said in the film that they were grandfather (of how many greats I couldn't quote) and grandson. And the poster discussing the photos is right. Stuart realizes she was meant to go back in time when he comes to understand that it was her in the pictures.
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Thing is, who were Kate's parents?
How could she possibly be so distant (chronologically) from her brother Charlie?
I'm assuming the two were full-blood siblings.
I mean no-matter the contortions time-wise, Kate's parents would still have to be her parents, right?
So time-travel must be built into the story.