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Won't anyone stand up for this movie?


It feels horrible coming onto this board and seeing so many people complain about Saboteur. Everyone seems to have some sort of argument with the plot and its complete departure from realistic logic. I ask, Why? Questioning the plot in this film, in many films, is trivial. The plot of Stars Wars isn't far-fetched?

No, Saboteur does some very exciting things cinematically and is more than deserving of real attention. Does nobody else find the scene in the theater (with the movie playing) absolutely exhilerating? Is nobody positively blown away by the Statue of Liberty sequence? There is more to a film than its narrative. Narrative is cinema's whore and deserves to be abused for the fun of the camera. Image and Motion, after all, are the supreme masters of film, and to judge a film without considering its use of image an motion is a woeful mistake. Saboteur does far more than your average film (and just as much as other Hitchcock films).

Won't anybody stand up for this film? Is nobody intelligent enough to dig beyond the absurd plot to see what the film actually accomplishes?

I proclaim ignorance in everything I say.

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I know what you mean Poppy. At the time that the movie was released people were more tolerant about movies and this movie was very popular. Plus WW2 had just started.

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A Great film. I also like the James Bond Music Scene too. The Video of the James Bond Scene is available here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bs64RatBses

The famous James Bond Music Scene - right when Pat (Priscilla Lane) has just grabbed (Robert Cummings) Barry's hands and wrapped them round the steering wheel there are a few seconds of James Bond-like chords similar to the main fanfare).

I like the Scene Barry jumps into the lake from the bridge.

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And the scenes at the Statue of Liberty were awesome!

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I agree about scenes at Statue of Liberty. What did you think about the James Bond Scene?

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The Statue of Liberty scene is classic. Nobody does vertiginous scenes like Hitchcock (as in Vertigo, Rear Window, North by Northwest). The closing image is also very similar to that of North by Northwest. In this film it ends with Cummings being helped back up over the railing; in North by Northwest it ends with Grant pulling Saint up the side of the Mt. Rushmore statue (then cutting to the interior of the train car and continuing the motion).

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Speaking of vertiginous scenes, you can include "Foreign Correspondent."

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I love this movie!!!!!

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I allways loved Sabateur, especially the ending.

Mr. Rusk, your not wearing your tie!

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I know I always loved this film very much. I think it's quite underrated as a Hitch film. It's so entertaining from start to finish.

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I really liked this movie, but I'm not surprised that so many people on the IMDB boards hated it. You see, most IMDB users tend to hate every movie. Whenever I see a movie that I like, I go to IMDB to see what other people think about it, and see dozens of people raving about how much they hated it. You would think that people on IMDB just don't like watching movies.

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Saboteur(1942) in my opinion is a fun film to watch. Statue of Liberty Scene is brilliant. Robert Cummings jumping from the bridge is great too.

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I know, I know. Some of my most favorite movies are low rated on IMDB. For example:

"Double Jeopardy"

I loved this movie. Sure, many things in it were not credible, but what movies are? Is Saboteur credible? No, but, it's very entertaining.

Is DJ predictable? Yes, but other movies aren't? Is Sleepless in Seattle predictable? Of course it is.

I could go on and on about Double Jeopardy.

Another favorite, but low rated, movie?

"Hero" with Dustin Hoffman.

Is this Dustin's greatest role? I say "yes." Yet not even an Oscar nomination.
Geena Davis - just great. The supporting cast including Chevy Chase - just great.

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No, most of the visitors to the IMDb site like watching movies its just that all their lives they have watched mostly dreck so they really have no idea what a good film is. For young males if there aren't a lot of explosions, exposed breasts, constant high speed CGI chase scenes, switch scene to topless bar with more T & A, a 100 Arabs taken out within a few minutes with the hero using a Mac-10, a few more explosions this time from tanks, more gratuitous shots of naked boobies with young girls wearing G-strings it's obvious they ain't gonna rate no stinkin' Hitchcock film over 5. Now, anything with Vin Diesel rates a 10 from the young male visitors to IMDb. Those are works of art!

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Love the movie as well. Definitely in my top 10 Hitchcock films. I loveed Bob Cummings and Priscilla Lane. I can't believe they were not his first choice.

The perfect Hitchcocks are: North by Northwest, Rear Window, Strangers on a Train, To Catch a Thief, Lifboat, Shadow of a Doubt & Foreign Correspondent. I would put Saboteur on the list as well.

Psycho & Dial M for Murder are great 2nd half films to me. Others on the list would be: The Birds & The Man Who Knew Too Much

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I'm another Saboteur fan and enjoy the "jingoistic" aspects. After all, these jerks WERE Nazis. Tobin's contempt for American middle-class working stiffs, Mrs. Sutton's subversive financing of a "government in waiting", Mr. Freeman's bizarre cultivation of his son's Aryan image, the butler's joyous employment of brutality, Frank Fry's enthusiastic terrorism; they all work for me. Hitchcock's employment of dark humor is everywhere - key-named Frank Fry frying Ken Mason, Pricilla Lane appearing on a billboard next to a slogan "A beautiful funeral for $49.95", laughter in the movie house as an innocent man is shot to death, the trucker saying "My wife heard it's stylish to eat three meals a day", creepy Frank Fry trying a come-on to Pat Martin, the two junior male Nazis in the Cadillac singing "Tonite We Love", the trucker's fire-extinguisher slapping the superstructure, the little old lady saying "They must be terribly in love!" Plus, it had great cimenatography.

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Excellent to see so many come to this films rescue, especially the words of ericolsen.

Frankly, I am surprised that people still use the word "flawed" when they talk about a film. What is "flawed" anyway? Something that doesn't match your criteria? Obviously, those who find Saboteur flawed are inferior beings .

The film is far more daring--both thematically and technically--than most people seem to notice; but this is to be expected from Hitchcock, so I can understand how people would overlook this aspect. My favorite Hitch, and now that I am finishing up his filmography, it looks like I will not find one to surpass it. It'd be great to find others who share the same love for this film that I do. [Raise your hand if you consider yourself one of these people.]

I proclaim ignorance.

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Absolutely so, a stunning film, especially seen in time it was shot.

The scene with the helpful blind man was genius.

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Definitely. I had bought it despite hearing so many people rant about it. It was a while before I eventually took it upon myself to see it but when I did, I was pleasantly shocked by the magnificent climax and the plot itself. Why do so many people choose to deem it 'flawed'? I don't know......

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i really found nothing wrong with the plot, although i think i see the generic crowd watching this movie and thinking "psssht, like THAT would ever happen!" as if they've never seen movies with similar plot twists and turns of fate.

its no perfect hitchcock but nonetheless still pretty darn good and entertaining. although i will agree that the end is hideous.

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I straight up dug this film on allot of levels. The characters were rich and it was entertaining all the way through. Some say they do not like the fact that it is over the top or not real enough but I learned along time ago that others opinions mean nothing if I liked it.

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Accessibility to a director is very important when introducing them to others. This is an accesible, but still entertaining and well-shot film(I first saw the ending when I was 6 and I haven't forgotten it since).

People hate it mainly because it seems to far-fetched and doesn't have the creepy air of uncertainty that permeates his films. One thing I will say in contrast to some of his other early films, something actually happens before the ending. We've been watching Hitchcock in my class from The Lodger on with the exception of Foreign Correspondant & Suspicion. Right now we're just past Spellbound. I've got to say his best stuff so far was the 39 Steps, The Lady Vanishes, which has been my favorite of his early stuff so far, and Saboteur. Honestly I think Rebecca is overrated like Citizen Kane(similar films). When Mrs. Danvers isn't on the screen it's not that interesting. Spellbound was so much about the connection between the leads and not much else until the end. Sabotage how droll, until the suspenseful bus. Blackmail was pretty weak too.

He's not perfect, but I will say that Saboteur is underrated it's a good Hitchcock and people not to realize that.

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I can't agree with you on Rebecca. I rate it as Hitchcock's best closely followed by Shadow of a Doubt, Dial M for Murder, Psycho, and Strangers on a Train.

What I liked about Hitchcock's ONLY Oscar winning film - Rebecca:

Mrs. Van Hopper. What a great performance of a pretentious, prudish, snob. Someone noted, and I agree that she drove the plot in Part 1 of the movie.

Max de Winter by Olivier. A masterful performance by one of the greatest actors of all time.

The 2nd Mrs. de Winter by Joan Fontaine. It's said that Hitchcock told her that everyone hated her so that she would act timid and shy which is exactly what he wanted. She played the role to perfection.

Jack Favell by George Sanders. He is the ultimate "slimy" character and he plays that role to perfection also.

Mrs. Danvers by Judith Anderson. As you have already noted, she dominated during her screen time. Her icy stare and formal manner were unnerving. Supposedly, Hitchcock told her not to blink.

Only a partial list.

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I actually was just on the Hitchcock board and posted a comment on the topic of his top five films that I felt this one was highly overlooked. One of his top five? Probably not, but certainly an enjoyable movie, and quite an accomplishment of cinema. The problem with a director like Alfred Hitchcock is that he was such an accomplished craftsmen that many of his gems slip through the cracks. Then there are times where people fail to realize that movies can be appreciated on any number of levels.
I will proudly stand up for this film.

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I don't know...my favorite underrated Hitchcock film would have to be Shadow of a Doubt...coming to this board, it seems many people are admirers of this film, so your assessment doesn't seem to ring true at all, it has many defenders in fact.

I'm not exactly one of them, I loved the first quarter of the film, I have no problem w/ a certain quirky element & loved the nice shots/sequences/scenes littered in this movie. The very first one that captured my attention from the very beginning would have to be the still shot of a wall w/ dark smoke engulfing the shot from the right - absolutely beautiful - followed by the sequenced attention of the workers, standing consecutively from farthest to that last man closest to the camera. I had no qualms w/ Kane jumping & swimming off the bridge, the driver helping him out, the Tobin baby or breaking off the handcuff w/ car engine fan, etc etc. But unlike many people here, a beautiful cinematography or choreographed scene/shot does not make a good film, for me personally, a film only works as a whole, not hinged on one singe factor or facet alone.

The issue I had w/ this was mainly the atrocious dialogue, or should I say the monologues? This film lost me completely by the Circus chapter, w/ that extended monologue from the bearded lady & the elder circus guy, it wasn't really because of its unrealistic nature that made me cringe but the superficial, cold, deluded, ridiculousness of the entire thing! I was barely hanging on by then due to a previous scene w/ the niece resting her shoulder on Kane's shoulder....wait for it...because she was cold & wanted to keep herself warm?!!! WTH?!!! It just seemed to pile up one after another after that, particularly the party/ball scene, just so many insurmountable plot points that just lost its charm w/ me. I don't know if I just had different expectations for such a film, one poster mentioned its similarity w/ the Austen Powers movies & I agree w/ him, but still, I never saw it as intentionally tongue & cheek (especially w/ certain scenes). I saw it as a film intended to be a bit cheeky *only* w/ certain points, & just lost itself w/ its delivery or forgot to tell a plain good old story. It seemed unaware of its nature & just took itself too seriously in its off-guarded & lacking story-telling (it really needed a better script). I'm not sure if I find this movie to be entertaining at some level even. It certainly shares a characteristic w/ these Austen P. bungled type movies, w/ one glitch, it doesn't seem to be in on the joke! One example is Kane strangling Frye inside the vehicle, while Frye seems unfazed by the Kane cutting off his o2, Frye (while being strangled) gives off instructions to his accomplice to go ahead....I have no words to describe the absurdity of this scene!

BTW, I've only seen Cummings in one movie (w/c I adore) before this - King's Row - but did he look a bit chubby in this, he looked very meaty from behind, like a duck.


By Grapthar's Hammer.......what a savings.

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Hitchcock felt that Saboteur script lacked "discipline." Unlike Hitchcock's other greater adventure/Thriller films, Hitchcock didn't like some of the elements in the script. One of them was circus caravan scenes. That was Dorothy Parker's idea. I think he may have used it, because he didn't find another writer to work on the script.

I thought the film was great. I liked the photography of the film.

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Mangoloid,
I have to go with Vicky on this one. Shadow of a Doubt is the better film of the two. However, my heart goes to Saboteur. While Theresa Wright has the better performance in the first film [mentioned], Ms. Lane wins me over with her everygirl charm.
I am not a Hitchcock fan, but I love Saboteur.
And guess what I will be watching tonight?

- JKHolman

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