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The Strange Morality of Saboteur


Saboteur is a movie that fits multiple thriller templates. It's a cross-country chase, it's a wartime espionage movie, but most importantly it's the story of a man who has been wrongly accused of a crime he did not commit. And the crime is a doozy: Sabotage for the Nazis! Which makes it surprising that in the movie Barry Kane (the wrong man) meets up with various kindhearted folk that help him in his quest to clear his name (they hope - he never actually tells anyone the specifics of what happened to him.) The weird thing is the movie makes it seem like these characters are good while the ones that want to turn him into the police are bad, even though for all they really know, according to the facts, Barry Kane is a Nazi! Anybody else have any thoughts on this?

What's the Spanish for drunken bum?

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Un borracho, for instance...

With all respect for Hitchcock, this story isn't at all great; it is full of improbable elements, such as the gala party and the people you mention, who don't turn Kane in because of some "hunch" they have about him...

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I think this film is great.

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I think this film is great.

Heh. Great defense. I hafta agree with the OP. As I said in another thread (I've been spamming this board) the moral of the story seems to be "judge a book by it's cover".

It's simply bizarre.


"That's what a gym teacher once told me."

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Two things.

I can't agree that all of those who want to turn Kane over to the police are depicted as 'bad.' For example Pat wants to turn him in for a good part of the film, and she is not portrayed as 'bad' for wanting to do so. I don't get that vibe, anyway. We as viewers know she doesn't have all of the information, so we are forgiving (or should be) of her attitude towards Kane. The only clearly 'bad' or 'evil' characters I see in the film are the real saboteurs. Creating chaos, killing innocent bystanders, sinking ships, blowing up dams. There is nothing redeemable or understandable in their actions.

Two - I'm not sure every film must have a moral lesson or element to it. Maybe this one strives to, I am not sure, but why can't there just be a suspense film that doesn't carry a moral message? I can think of a bunch of examples that use this plot line - namely - there is only one or a handful of characters who know the 'truth' of something, and the entire film shows the struggle to get other people to believe and understand that truth. Saboteur, North by Northwest, The Fugitive, Invasion of the Body Snatchers, Soylent Green, Logan's Run....there are a lot of them. I can agree that sometimes films carry a message, but it's debatable what that message actually is; not every film is a vehicle for a morality play. Think of Hitchcock's "Shadow of a Doubt"....what would be the message there? "Don't trust your long lost relatives, maybe they are really murderers in hiding?" No. At best you can say "don't judge a book by its cover" but I imagine that's hardly the 'message' Hitchcock was trying to convey. Sometimes a thriller is just a thriller and that's enough.

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It's an exceptionally well made chase movie, goes light on "messages" and morals. They're there but not shoved down the viewer's throat. I like it a great deal, even like its stars, Bob Cummings and Priscilla Lane, neither a Hitchcock "type", and yet well cast. Good work from Norman Lloyd as the aptly named Frye. Great fun, a fair amount of humor,--love those "freaks"--maybe not a great film but a very good one.

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I think that indeed, the movie makes the point that the "regular people"(the truck driver, the blind man, the circus freaks) just know in their hearts that Barry Kane can't be a Nazi saboteur. How he looks(or FEELS , to the blind man), how he talks, how he behaves, how he treats other people. And his story "holds water" about being framed. There's a lot to be said for instinct.

Pat tries to get him arrested often in the early part of the film, but she's rather the stuck up sophisticated model and can't see through for a long while to what the regular people see. Eventually...her instinct...and some proof, as I recall...changes her tune.

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Nice to hear from ya', EC. It's been ages since I've seen Saboteur. It doesn't seem to get broadcast much, anywhere. Nor is it a "hot" Hitchcock, like so many others. It may be "above" I Confess, as to its reputation, but by how much? It's a real thriller, and while thematically Hitchcockian it's really its own movie.

A young person can watch it on the late show, enjoy it, and if not a credits reader could easily miss who directed it, and enjoy it all in the spirit of a 1942 moviegoer. This was pretty much happened to me at around age eighteen, though I caught Hitchcock name in the opening credits it was a serendipitous event.

I'm still a semi-regular viewer of Hitchcock's TV series, and still impressed by its qualities, however sometimes it's too much of a good thing, almost too ubiquitous. How much Robert Emhardt can one take? Or Barbara Bel Geddes? On the other hand, I've come to appreciate some of the more purely "psychological" entries, and they can work well as character studies. I think of the not at all festive The Festive Season (Edmon Ryan visits some family friends on Xmas eve, and what a night it is!) Not thrilling exactly, but chilling. Good work from Carmen Mathews in this, who's become a Hitch favorite player of mine. Also, the English actor who plays her disturbed, seemingly (to my eyes) sexually ambivalent brother. There are possibly gay and incestuous themes in this one. So many subtexts, so little time.

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Nice to hear from ya', EC.

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And nice to hear from YOU, Telegonus. Maybe I should find my way to some older films than the 60's! We might meet up more often. Hah.

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It's been ages since I've seen Saboteur. It doesn't seem to get broadcast much, anywhere.

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Well, Saboteur is in the "Universal/Paramount" package of movies , so sometimes it gets shown with the other more famous movies in that package(Psycho, Vertigo, Rear Window) on Turner Classic Movies and some cable channels. But alas, it seems that Saboteur...and Topaz...don't get shown much even if they are IN that package.

I've mentioned this elsewhere: In the early 60's when I was a kid, Saboteur got fairly big promotion(a full page ad in TV Guide) as a "TV debut." I figured out years later than in the early 60's with NXNW, Psycho and The Birds as big hits that had NOT yet come to TV, Saboteur was about as good as it was going to get for a few years. The film was shown regularly enough that I developed a "feel" for it, certainly the quiet cliffhanger climax on the Statue of Liberty (such a different, music-free affair from the big Mount Rushmore chase that climaxes NXNW.)

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Nor is it a "hot" Hitchcock, like so many others.

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Not anymore. My contention is that the big problem is that it stars Bob Cummings and Priscilla Lane. Suggests its a "B." Had it starred Gary Cooper and Barbara Stanwyck(as Hitch tried for an failed) ...perhaps we would see it as a major classic today.

Still, parts of it(dialogue) ARE like a B. Except for the great and erudite speeches of the "American Nazi sympathizer" Charles Tobin played by Otto Kruger. Such intelligence...such contempt for his "lesser man." And I do believe that Tobin gets away at the end. Just like someone in Vertigo does later...

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It may be "above" I Confess, as to its reputation, but by how much? It's a real thriller, and while thematically Hitchcockian it's really its own movie.

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Well, I Confess (coming after the big popcorn action of "Strangers on a Train," a major entertainment and comeback hit) was one of Hitchcock's "serious" films -- and a religious one, to boot.

Saboteur is more of an action picture -- I call it "Hitchcock's Raiders of the Lost Ark" except the Nazi villains were still a very real danger in 1942. If they had won...off to prison or execution for Hitch. Note that Cummings' outfit is rather like that of Indy Jones...though Barry Kane is very much a "working class hero."

I like Saboteur, but Hitchcock would be getting more sophisticated than that.. Heck...the very next year, with Shadow of a Doubt. Together, Saboteur and Shadow of a Doubt were Hitchcock's sole Universal films of the 40s...on loanout from Selznick. They are certainly looser and more entertaining than some of the Selznick productions.



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I'm still a semi-regular viewer of Hitchcock's TV series, and still impressed by its qualities, however sometimes it's too much of a good thing, almost too ubiquitous.

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Ah...the bane of our 21st Century access to practically every TV series ever made...at least the hits.

And remember that in its heyday, Hitchcock's show was only on once a week, and then took the summer off(except for re-runs.) Now, these episodes are always available.

Its the same way, I've found, with old Columbos(the ones from the 70s.) It was that you had to wait a month for each new episode. There were only 7 a year -- only THREE one year! (While Peter Falk was off being a movie star.) Now you can watch them back-to-back-to-back, if you want to.

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How much Robert Emhardt can one take? Or Barbara Bel Geddes?

---Ha. In the really old 50's half hours, a guy named Biff Elliott got a lot of episodes, as I recall. I learned to know him from the Hitchcocks alone.

On the other hand, many major movie stars who did NOT make a movie for Hitch DID make some of his TV episodes: Steve McQueen Walter Matthau, Charles Bronson...

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On the other hand, I've come to appreciate some of the more purely "psychological" entries, and they can work well as character studies.

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As I recall, the half hour episodes -- often based on classic short stories -- were fairly intellectual crime pieces. The hour series (1962) started after Psycho(1960) changed everything -- and rather resembled Psycho in their touches of horror(even using, famously, the Psycho house itself in "An Unlocked Window.")

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I think of the not at all festive The Festive Season (Edmon Ryan visits some family friends on Xmas eve, and what a night it is!) Not thrilling exactly, but chilling. Good work from Carmen Mathews in this, who's become a Hitch favorite player of mine.

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I vaguely remember Carmen Mathews. I'll have to look her up and catch up. Edmond O'Brien was a fine character guy, though he rather "went to pot" too soon.

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Also, the English actor who plays her disturbed, seemingly (to my eyes) sexually ambivalent brother. There are possibly gay and incestuous themes in this one. So many subtexts, so little time.

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We know that Hitchcock was getting away with a lot in his Hays Code era movies...wouldn't it be funny to realize that his TV series was equally as daring...and broadcast to millions in their homes.

I've always contended(and I'm not alone) that American married couples may have loved the Hitchcock show because so many episodes were about husbands murdering wives, or wives murdering husbands. "A weekly fantasy -- equal opportunity divorce without alimony."

Stay cool, Telegonus!

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Thanks, EC, for the voluble responses. I always appreciate that. It's nice to know that I'm not the club bore in these here parts,--LOL!

Your comment on Bob Cummings dressed up like Indiana Jones got a laugh from me (first one of the day, and this hasn't been a fun week). Didn't mean myu comment as a put down of yours, it's just that the prospect of Bob Cummings as a whip-wielding Harrison Ford superhero type takes my imagination to funny places...

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Your comment on Bob Cummings dressed up like Indiana Jones got a laugh from me (first one of the day, and this hasn't been a fun week).

Well, I'll take the lumps for an odd image if it gave you needed laugh, Telegonus.

I haven't looked at Saboteur in awhile, but I think that Cummings did wear a leather jacket and khaki pants...so he was a "little bit Jonesy." But, as Hitchcock said, 'Cummings had an amusing face" and he certainly couldn't get a macho thing going here.

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Didn't mean myu comment as a put down of yours, it's just that the prospect of Bob Cummings as a whip-wielding Harrison Ford superhero type takes my imagination to funny places...

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Ha. Yeah...mine too. Notice as well that while Saboteur IS a chase with some action scenes (the villain's cowboy ranchhands chasing and LASSOING Cummings; his dive off the bridge into the river) it lacks the "exotic" nature of the globetrotting Indy. The Saboteurs are threatening America...this is a distinctly American Hitchcock.

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True about Hitchcock's two wartime Universals. Hitch was a big noise when he made pictures for Selznick. Every big name critic reviewed them. Shadow Of A Doubt was at least taken seriously, and while it was widely known as a Hitchcock picture, it had the Selznick creds of not just Hitchcock but of Joseph Cotten, who was also a "prestige guy" at the time due to his Orson Welles connected in addition to his soon to be Selznick one. I think it's fair to say that Cotten's dour performance as the negative "lead" of this film ratcheted him up as a name player into something like major stardom (he already had Citizen Kane, in which he was far more likable, with Welles playing the monster part!). If Cotten had, for some strange reason, become a superstar, achieved an iconic Bogart level of celebrity, Shadow Of A Doubt might now be seen as his Petrified Forest. (okay, so much for speculation).

Even the less serious Saboteur was a true feather in the caps of many who contributed to its making, including even, yes, Priscilla Lane, who had a achieved, without becoming a major star, something of a "G.I. Favorite" status on the homefront (she was awfully pretty, eh?,--and as sexy seeming as she was wholesome,--egads--what more could a red-blooded American boy ask for?). Bob Cummings, like Ronald Reagan and Eddie Albert, was rising slowly but surely to A list status even as they seemed to be continually failing to fine that One Big Picture that would maken solid gold. (Reagan has some time in the sun, then drifted postwar, into television, as his superstardom would be achieved in another field of endeavor altogether; while Albert hit it bigger on the Broadway stage than in films, and he eventually achieved household name status when he moved to Green Acres.)

I'm running out of space here. Time to quit, given the time of day and all. By all means, EC, keep cool, too, and stay safe. I'm not about to stop wearing a mask any time soon. I urge you to do same.

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True about Hitchcock's two wartime Universals. Hitch was a big noise when he made pictures for Selznick. Every big name critic reviewed them. Shadow Of A Doubt was at least taken seriously, and while it was widely known as a Hitchcock picture, it had the Selznick creds of not just Hitchcock but of Joseph Cotten, who was also a "prestige guy" at the time due to his Orson Welles connected in addition to his soon to be Selznick one.

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Yes...it is hard for me to gauge "from here," but it seems while Saboteur could not land "A level leads,
Shadow of a Doubt had Teresa Wright(fresh from Mrs. Miniver, yes?) and Cotton (my PC always spells his name with an O) had the Welles connection. Its interesting how Saboteur and Shadow of a Doubt rather contrast -- one an "action chase" picture(anticipating North by Northwest), the other a small town meets psycho meets psycho character study(anticipating Psycho.)

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I think it's fair to say that Cotten's dour performance as the negative "lead" of this film

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"Negative lead" -- a great term for the great Hitchcock villains who sometimes got top billing and always got the audience's most rapt attention: Uncle Charlie(Cotton), Bruno Anthony(Robert Walker) Tony Wendice(Ray Milland -- versus poor Bob Cummings again!), Norman Bates(Anthony Perkins) and Bob Rusk(the little known Brit, Barry Foster.)

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ratcheted him up as a name player into something like major stardom (he already had Citizen Kane, in which he was far more likable, with Welles playing the monster part!). If Cotten had, for some strange reason, become a superstar, achieved an iconic Bogart level of celebrity, Shadow Of A Doubt might now be seen as his Petrified Forest. (okay, so much for speculation)

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Ah, speculation is good. BTW, evidently Selznick wanted Joseph Cotton for the lead in Notorious! THAT might have led to stardom.

But come the 50's, Cotten's handsome looks started to deteriorate -- in Niagara, as Marilyn Monroe's jilted, murderous husband, Cotten's eyes are baggy and his face seems rather wrinkled. He kept a good voice for decades, but the face "went."

He looks great in Shadow of a Doubt though -- a certain dark beauty.

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Even the less serious Saboteur was a true feather in the caps of many who contributed to its making, including even, yes, Priscilla Lane, who had a achieved, without becoming a major star, something of a "G.I. Favorite" status on the homefront (she was awfully pretty, eh?,--and as sexy seeming as she was wholesome,--egads--what more could a red-blooded American boy ask for?).

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Priscilla Lane actually has top billing OVER Bob Cummings in Saboteur, which tells me she had some sort of higher stardom.

And yes, I found her extremely pretty in a very modern way, with one of those female faces you fall in love with(modernly, the late Kelly Preston had the same deal for me.)

In the scene near the end where Lane dangerously and all alone, tries to stall saboteur Frank Fry(Norman Lloyd) inside Lady Liberty's head....Lane is pretty damn sexy and seductive. The creepy Fry believes the come on for a bit, almost follows through ("...but I just don't have the time.")

I post this within two weeks of Norman Lloyd passing at 106. What a career! And how much of it as a Hitchcock confidante and employee. Something really clicked between the two.

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Bob Cummings, like Ronald Reagan and Eddie Albert, was rising slowly but surely to A list status even as they seemed to be continually failing to fine that One Big Picture that would maken solid gold. (Reagan has some time in the sun, then drifted postwar, into television, as his superstardom would be achieved in another field of endeavor altogether; while Albert hit it bigger on the Broadway stage than in films, and he eventually achieved household name status when he moved to Green Acres.)

Cummings, Reagan and Albert remind us that certain men don't become leading men(though Reagan came the closest) but find their niche in any event. Cummings became a TV series comedy guy (and was nicely smarmy in such 60's movies as The Carpetbaggers and the Stagecoach remake.) Reagan...well.

Eddie Albert I love in the 70's in several movies and one TV episode where he turned his white-haired , solidly built, leonine-headed presence into villainy at various levels; Oscar-nominatd as the rich banker father out to stop a "schmuck"(Charles Grodin -- HE died this week) from marrying his beautiful daughter, in The Heartbreak Kid; and two great villains for Robert Aldrich, the sadistic football-loving warden in The Longest Yard (vs NFL prisoner Burt Reynolds); a truly sleazy rich lawyer who reminds cop Burt Reynolds(again) that they share the same woman -- the hooker(Catherine Deneuve) with whom Reynolds lives and tries to have a romance, but Albert just buys.

Oh, and Albert used his powerful presence and hidden sex appeal to play "General Patton as the killer" on a 1971 Columbo episode...all the while romancing a pretty witness to his crime(Suzanne Pleshette.)

Green Acres made Eddie Albert a TV star and familiar face, but his 70's villains will last, too.

Bye for now Telegonus.

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Indeed, EC: RIP, Norman Lloyd.

Yeah. I forgot about the billing, then you jogged my memory: a lot of male stars in the old days had (in many instances) their only slightly better known female co-stars top billed over them early in their careers: John Wayne was billed below Claire Trevor in Stagecoach and, soon after, Dark Command, the following year.

Humphrey Bogart, no newbie but new to stardom, and basically the leading character in the film, High Sierra, took second billing to Ida Lupino, who was Warners' bid to become the next Bette Davis (I suspect that it was Warners that lobbied for Priscilla Lane to lead in the credits for Saboteur,--in that one it really should have been Joel McCrea in the lead, and top billed--now HE could have been a Harrison Ford hero type--and indeed rather was earlier, in Hitchcock's Foreign Correspondent).

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