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Has anyone seen this movie?


I would like to hear any comments about this movie.

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The film has been severely overlooked for many years. I feel that it is Kate and Spence at their very best. She never looked better and the sets are awesome. Hollywood just doesn't make them anymore like they use to. Too bad

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I saw this movie years and years ago and thought it was very interesting! Wish I could just go on line and request a movie to see on the internet. Would make life a lot easier. I just saw Desk Set with Tracy and Hepburn. I could see the rapport between the two. They looked as if they shared a lot of humor in their relationship. Thought Adam's Rib was hilarious also. I bought the film and still think it's so funny.

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This movie is superb - overlooked. The acting is actually the best they ever came up with, the love story more subtle, the story is intruiging and has depth. It's probably my favourite Hepburn/Tracy (although I have a soft spot for Woman of the Year).

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Orson Welles's influence is all over this, I think. The Morgan Library reference at one point is an almost direct tip-off to the library vault scene in CITIZEN KANE, even perhaps to the inspiration for FLAME in the first place. And given that both films are barely disguised swipes at WR Hearst...

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KEEPER OF THE FLAME was based on a book written before Citizen Kane--an original screenplay--was started--though the visual presentation was obviously influenced by Welles.

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I DVRed this when TCM showed this recently. I had never seen it. The scene near the end where the truth about Forrest is explained was incredible. I think he didn't actually have ties to Hitler but was using Fascism as a model for a New America.

I'd really like to have a transcript of that scene. If I can't find one online then I'll transcribe it myself.

It seems to me the "Forrest plan" has been enacted in the USA, repeatedly.




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This is the best Tracy/Hepburn film! It does seem a bit like "Citizen Kane" at times! But it's got a mysterious and tremendous atmosphere all it's own!

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Just saw it. Hepburn and Tracy are perfectly fine in the film, which reminds one in part of "Citizen Kane" with its unraveling of a "great man's" past, and the huge Gothic house, etc. There is some intelligent dialogue, the sets are stunning, the camera work superior, but...the ending is hysteric, blunt, and didactic, ruining what could have been a much better psychological bit of cinema. A disappointment finally despite all its apparent virtues. The manner in which a very compelling piece of suspense is blown is a disaster.

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Well said, DMH. The film often feels like it is about to turn a really marvelous corner, and does not,
and the way they almost hurried to wrap it up is painful.

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Yes. It's a marvelous looking film, it has all the atmosphere a film could use, and it has both great leads, and the usual "salting" of reliable character actors, but the storyline is not only terribly dated (and preachy/pompous about its politics) but - as you also note - seems to turn from a 1500 meter run into a short sprint at the very end. One wonders what the problems were - a pushy producer, an impatient director, a disinterested editor. Who knows? There are plenty of films about that era, about Nazis and the like that are still greatly enjoyable today ("Casablanca" stands out of course), but it's because the themes are rendered universal, the creators refuse to take themselves too seriously, and the real story is one of love or loyalty, etc. Here, we are led to believe something "important" is being revealed to us, and yet - the film wraps up in a headless rush. Very disappointing...

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Yes, the preachiness, even for its times, is tiresome, along with the somewhat Italianate pronunciation of 'fascist'. A fash-chist! Of course, if we begin thinking of films whose themes are above the, shall we say, intellectual station of its makers, or are made juvenile in an assumption that the viewer is a straw-chewing bumpkin, we could have a list here that runs for miles. I am thinking right now of SABOTEUR, but I really digress...

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I think it's a remarkable movie for 1942. The comparison with Citizen Kane is interesting, but I always thought Forrest was at least a little bit inspired by Charles Lindbergh.

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I think it's safe to say that it was A LOT inspired by Charles Lindbergh and the America First Committee.

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Wow....didn't occur to me when I was watching but of course it is based on Lindbergh... Could also have been based partly on Joseph Kennedy....I enjoyed the movie and Hepburn/Tracy are wonderful to watch as usual....

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I saw this years ago, but hadn't seen it again until this afternoon on
TCM. Unlike other posters, my problem is the beginning, which is
muddled and highly irritating (credit Audrey Christie) in spots. But the
final 45 minutes unfold beautifully, with Hepburn and Tracy giving fine
turns in their roles.

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Lindbergh is more likely, he was a huge populist hero, he loved the Fascist ideology, touring Germany and meeting German leaders. He was an expressed racist and believed in eugenics. Not a pretty character up close.

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Eugenics was a huge movement in the US, starting around the time of Woodrow Wilson. It was, btw, a leftist movement (but then Nazis were National Socialists.) Nazis learned a lot about eugenics from American eugenics.

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I'm getting distinct Lindbergh vibes off it. Especially the minute the guy mentioned "true Americanism".

It's like a twisted Capra movie. The dark side of that stuff. Or like what everybody thought Senator Paine was like vs. what he was really like.

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Lindbergh comes to mind - but so does William Randolph Hearst. Cukor homogenized it so that neither Lindbergh nor Hearst (both of whom were still living) could have a basis for a lawsuit.

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I just finished watching it. I had never heard of it before. The beginning of the "mystery" story reminded me of Citizen Kane.

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Nothing to contribute to this already interesting discussion, but wanted to let you all know the film is finally being released on DVD by Warners on April 12th, 2011. It and "The Sea of Grass" (also new to DVD) will also be part of the 10-disc box set, "Tracy and Hepburn - The Definitive Collection" containing all the Tracy/Hepburn films. In addition to their nine films it'll also contain the documentary "The Spencer Tracy Legacy". This will be a joint effort from Warners, Sony and Fox, similar to the combined effort to release "The Elia Kazan Collection" last year.

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This film was a thought experiment reflecting on unspoken assumptions and questions in the nation's reaction to what was happening in Germany at the time: What if America had a Hitler? Could it happen here? How might it happen? Could someone who is a sufficiently charismatic speaker spellbind this nation with patriotic idealism and then lead it down an ugly murderous path? The story structure the film takes, with a reporter covering the figure's untimely death, which occurs at what would have been a pivotal moment in his ascent, is a device that allows a widening circle of truth to be revealed about this figure throughout the course of the film; the reporter is meant to be the audience's surrogate within the film, leading us through a transition of feelings of first admiration, then discomfort and ultimately horror for the absent figure.
The movie cheats a little bit on the experiment: the ugly side of the Hitler character in the movie is revealed as a secret plot to be implemented after his rise to power. The real Hitler was quite upfront and open about his race hatred and warlike intentions from the beginning and rose to power anyway. Was this discrepancy written in because the makers of the film thought this a genuine distinction in American vs. German culture: that a completely parallel series of events could not actually happen here? Or because they feared the American audience would reject such a portrayal of themselves? Or was it to give the story the elements of mystery and suspense?

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