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What is the painting all about?????



Hi there,

I have been trying for years to discover the significance of the painting that the detective stares at when they come to tell Mrs Aysgarth of Beaky's death in Paris.

Does anyone know why he looks at it in that peculiar way? It happens as they leave too...

It could just be a red herring, but why?? It seems as though there was something filmed regarding the merit of the painting, but it was later removed. I have searched for a long time for the answer to this question but have had no luck.

Does anyone have any ideas?

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maybe this is incredibly obvious, but the impact the continued references to the painting had on me was to imply that Grant's character killed the father, as a link was established between the painting and anytime death was in the air...

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I just saw this film for the first time this weekend. I figured that Johnnie had stolen the painting and the cop recognized it as a stolen Picasso (looked like a Picasso) and was a bit suspicious. You know, anything to make us feel more suspicious of Johnnie.

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I am trying to find out the name of the painting. Maybe that has some bearing...

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I had the same thought, and my mom said that perhaps cubism was avant-garde and that's why the cop was staring at it. Seems like there would be more significance seeing as it is, after all, a Hitchcock movie.

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I love MacGuffins! But that wouldn't make any sense.

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That painting has long been something of a mystery in regards to Suspicion. In fact, I believe an entire article was written in a film journal about it in the 70's.

I believe the writer's thoughts of the significance of the painting boiled down to the psychological representation it made of Joan Fontaine's mind. He thought - as far as I remember, and this seems a logical theory - that the difference between the huge father-figure portrait that hangs in Fontaine's parents home and the tiny, cubist oddity that hangs in the new Aysgarth home, was meant to represent how much had changed in the mind and life of this woman.

As her psychological grip on reality weakened, the reference to the bizarre painting would be a window into the status of her fractured mind.

I think it also offers the hope that, at some level, Lina has not gone completely mad. At least someone else, the detective (Benson, I believe his name is), has been able to get a glimpse of the turmoil this woman has been going through. At least she is not completely alone with her thoughts... as he tries twice to get a longer look at the painting. It also offers the possiblity that, working from the assumption that this is a 'picture' of her mind, that she is not wrong, perhaps Johnny has been lying about everything he's been doing, and that if only someone like Benson would catch on to this barely perceptible key to her plight, she would be free from her self-imposed isolation.

I don't know how much I agree with this theory, but it seems well thought out and fairly reasonable. What's most interesting, though, is that it definitely wasn't a case of improvisation on the part of the actor, which many people have speculated over the years. Every action he makes towards the painting was scripted, and existed in early drafts of scripting, making reference to both Benson, and a precise description of the painting itself.

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I would fully agree on that. In addition another rather abstract picture was shown next to the families house front door as Lina leaves to meet Johnnie at the Registrar. The weirdom has just entered the house.

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the painting is discussed in the DVD documentary for either "The Wrong Man" or "I Confess".can't remember which one exactly off the top of my head but i know it isn't in the documentary for "Suspicion".i found it very odd that it was mentioned under a different film when it is such a persistant question regarding the film the scene is included in.

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The interpretation that the painting is a window to Lina's character is interesting, but the house was decorated by the man hired by Johnnie. So it should reflect more his character than hers; and even so, only indirectly.

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The interpretation that the painting is a window to Lina's character is interesting, but the house was decorated by the man hired by Johnnie. So it should reflect more his character than hers; and even so, only indirectly.

That would be a more convincing argument if we didn't have such an abundance of other examples from Hitchcock's films to draw from. For example, in Stage Fright, Charlotte's house is full of portraits of herself (demonstrating her narcissism). Paintings are used to similar effect in Marnie and Frenzy.

However, in this particular case, the one thing we can say for sure is that Hitchcock likes to show policemen as practical types who don't understand the world of symbols and dreams (unlike Hitch himself.) Compare this scene with that of Lt. Doyle's in Rear Window when he looks at the still life hanging over Jeff's fireplace and you'll see what I mean. An even better example can be found in The Trouble with Harry.

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Hitchcock himself explains why pictures of birds appear ubiquitously in Psycho, as well as stuffed birds. He was merely advertising his next movie: The Birds. And getting the audience ready with a haunting preview of terror.

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Personally speaking, in this case, to paraphrase Freud, sometimes a painting is just a painting. I think it was an attempt to inject a little humor into the movie. The detective, used to seeing portraits and other "realistic" paintings, was perplexed at this new-fangled cubism hanging on the wall, and kept on puzzling over it, trying to make heads or tails over what it represented. That's it. Nothing deep or sinister or symbolic. My two cents.

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It's a Macguffin, he had them in 98% of his movies if not 100, i could probably name most of them. Picasso's paintings would not be worth anything at the time this movie was made.

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Maybe not even that. I look upon it as just one of Hitchcock's little jokes, one of those touches that you find in so many of his earlier films. The painting is vaguely modernistic, and not simply representative. The copper keeps staring at it in order to work out what the picture is. It's the sort of thing a straightforward, no-nonsense copper might do in the spare moments available. The joke has nothing to do with a plot line, it's simply a bit of character infilling, rounding out what would otherwise be a very boring plot device.

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Yes! I totally agree. I can't believe this thorough analysis of what looked to me like a regular joe policeman looking at this funny looking picture. He is just trying to figure out what it's supposed to be and why anybody would hang it on the wall.
From rpetersen's posting: sometimes a painting is just a painting.

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I don't know, that stuff had been around since the early 1900's. It shouldn't be strange by 1940's standards. I thought there was a point to it during the movie - I thought there would be something hidden behind it or somesuch but then I completly forgot about it by the end. The thing is the scene wasn't played humourously so it got one thinking about the meaning.

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I agree 100%. I think the odd, abstract painting is there simply to have another level of 'wierd' and 'distracting' and 'hunh?' and 'what exactly am I looking at'....... which all fits perfectly with what Fontaine's character goes through the whole movie with.

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by rpetersen (Mon Jun 13 2005 16:13:06)
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Personally speaking, in this case, to paraphrase Freud, sometimes a painting is just a painting. I think it was an attempt to inject a little humor into the movie. The detective, used to seeing portraits and other "realistic" paintings, was perplexed at this new-fangled cubism hanging on the wall, and kept on puzzling over it, trying to make heads or tails over what it represented. That's it. Nothing deep or sinister or symbolic. My two cents.




I totally agree. The painting was just a painting. Lina didn't even decorate the house. It was let fully furnished and decorated.

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“was perplexed at this new-fangled cubism hanging on the wall, and kept on puzzling over it, trying to make heads or tails over what it represented. That's it. Nothing deep or sinister or symbolic. My two cents.”

This^

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IT reminds me of the painting that the mother does in strangers on a train. it too has an eerie quality and is noticed when the threat of death has entered the plot.

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These scenes are discussed briefly on the documentary for Strangers on a Train. You might check out the DVD for more info, but the jist of the conversation is that Hitchcock didn't care for abstract expressionism in art. Perhaps this painting is just another way to draw the viewer into the feelings of insecurity and suspicion Lina experiences, by taking reality out of the equation. As Lina struggles to discover what is real and what she suspects, so also does the viewer question reality.

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Good Question. McGuffin indeed, abstract Picasso? maybe. The incongruity of an abstract painting in a house full of rococco/Louis IV style gives the idea of incogruity and intrigue more than anything else.

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i have read somewhere that Hitch liked to throw in things that would inspire "watercooler talk." another example is the scene in Vertigo where Madeleine disappears at the hotel - where he sees her in the window and then goes in and the front desk lady has no idea.

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As you know, Lina was called a "wallflower" in the script, before the marriage. After the marriage, we see a different and happy Lina.

But I think the picture Benson was looking was probably showing that Lina was turning back into a "wallflower" like once she was, because of the suspicions that Johnnie may have killed Beaky.

As for the evidence, we see Lina arranging the "flowers", right before the police arrives.

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I think that this is an interesting analysis. Nice.
I think the painting has little to do with it. we know that the house was furnished prior to Johnny and Lina's arrival, so we cannot assume they purchased or hung this painting.

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Personally I think you're all reading to much into it. It's just a joke, partly about the lower class taste/upbringing of the policeman, and partly about modern art. Hitch put a lot of jokes in this and all his other films.

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Its true that Hitchcock puts jokes in the films. But I don't know about the portrait.

The role of "flowers" is very important. Some people claim that it means "point of view". We see "Flower" in nearly every single scene of this movie.

We see the role of "flowers" in other Hitchcock movies like Shadow of a Doubt, Vertigo, Rear Window, and some other films.

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This is an old trick of screenwriting. Always give minor players "character", that is, some idiosyncrasy that the audience will identify with and make them feel sympathy. This provides the powerful effect that the small players are not just extras dropped in to support the plot but are real people like you and I. Having the junior constable react to a cubist (elitist) work of art instantly eleavated the character to something bigger than a walk on since 99% of the audience agreed with him.

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phaecops-1 said "This is an old trick of screenwriting. Always give minor players "character", that is, some idiosyncrasy that the audience will identify with and make them feel sympathy. This provides the powerful effect that the small players are not just extras dropped in to support the plot but are real people like you and I. Having the junior constable react to a cubist (elitist) work of art instantly eleavated the character to something bigger than a walk on since 99% of the audience agreed with him."

That is the best answer.

It's not about her, (certainly not even close to a McGuffin) and only
marginally useful as a red herring. I did wonder about it at the time, whether it might prove to be stolen or something.
But just to make a character interesting is a good reason for it.
And of course Hitchcock chose something he didn't like and knew others made fun of as the target. But the point of the cameo was not the painting but the cop.

The same trick was played with their maid. He sounded insincere when he said they had just met, and then later he gave her a fox wrap. Would make any wife, and any audience detective, tuck that away as a possible clue.

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I wondered the same. It's fractured style (Cubism?) seemed also to fit with the grid shadows that covered much of the house.

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I think the painting the detective stares at is a little insight into Alfred Hitchcock. In either To Catch a Thief or North by Northwest, I don't remember which one, Jessie Stevens puts out her cigarette in a egg. I remember on the special features that someone mentioned that Alfred Hitchcock didn't like eggs. Just like the eggs, I think the painting the dectective stares at in which Hitchcock shot intentionally shows Alfred Hitchcock's opinion of that painting and its style. He doesn't get, understand it, or is a little confused by it.

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I thought it was quite obvious that the police officer studying the painting was implying that he recognized it as possibly stolen or suspicious at the least. I guess that is just my interpretation though.

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I think the abstract represents the film being a puzzle to solve for the audience watching. Like the officer studying the peice; he looked closly but still couldn't get it or it's meaning. The puzzle symbolizes the film's plot and it's openess to let the "watcher" see what it wants.






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I thought it was pretty obvious that the painting was stolen from somewhere and the detective recognized it.

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