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The ending does Not ruin the film


The ending does leave much to be desired particularly due to the long drawn out explanation of Johnnie. I would say though that this does not hinder the previous 90 minutes of the story and in some ways leaves us with an ambiguous ending as Johnnie drives off with his arm around Lina. Could he be lying? What will be Lina's fate?

Anyway, I do not think the ending is as bad as people have made it out to be. What are your thoughts on it?

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The good thing about the ending is Hitchcock left it as an open ending with only 2 possibilities - Johnnie is a murderer or He isn't a murderer.

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I think most of the objections are due to the fact that it goes against the original novel in which Johnnie is a killer - even though his wife sort of contributes by drinking what she knows is poison.

On the other hand, the fact that he turns out to be innocent (even though everything points to him being the worst kind of black sheep, thief and even a killer) provides something of a neat twist and there is a good chance that he is prepared to be more responsible in future. The death of his best friend Beaky may have been something of a warning that he had to pull himself together and lead a better life.

Yes, one can hate the studio bosses for forcing such a change in the story, but on the other hand I happen to think that it is very well handled.

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The ending was okayish but a bit sudden - one moment he was driving her back to her mother's then the next shot he swung the car around to take her back, without anymore dialogue and it certainly looked liked tack on studio interfering. I would like to have seen the ending a bit more ambiguous.

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It looked, to me, like he was pushing her out of car but other people I have watched it with thinks she was paranoid and opened the door thinking he was doing it because she expected him to. So, I think they weren't paying that crucial scence too much attention to think that way!




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The door flung open by itself. A couple of scenes earlier, already on the edge of the cliff, Johnnie reaches over to open the door on her side and slams it shut. That scene is clearly there to indicate, that the door was not working properly and to justify the door opening by itself in the climax scene.

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In one review of this movie I read, the reviewer said that the fault of the ending isn't that Johnnie is obviously a murderer, it's that we are suddenly supposed to see Lina as faithless and neurotic. When clearly, her husband is a total sh*thead and she has every right to be paranoid about him.

I completely agree with this, and that's why the ending is a little dodgy. I don't think it's right to label Lina as neurotic or obsessive. The coincidence that she was wrong about who he was planning to poison doesn't change the fact that he stole 2000 pounds, (demonstrating his amoral character) which was probably a lot of money in 1941. Or that Beakey's death was suspicious and he lied about his whereabouts, etc etc

I still don't really mind the ending, though. I'm really glad they didn't end it with letting Johnnie kill her. What woman would do that? Especially one with 'intellect and a fine solid character.'

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I disagree with us having to accept Lina as faithless and neurotic, because I did not see her that way even when she started crying and taking back everything she assumed.

She loved him so deeply and while her suspicions were strong and she had a lot of time to meditate on them and make herself stressed, his explanations were so fitting that I think anyone would have been taken aback and thought that they made a huge mistake.

JUST ACCEPT IT!

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Come to think of it Johnnie may have been lying

JUST ACCEPT IT!

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The ending doesn't necessarily end the story====he could have still killed her later on.

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In one review of this movie I read, the reviewer said that the fault of the ending isn't that Johnnie is obviously a murderer, it's that we are suddenly supposed to see Lina as faithless and neurotic.


I disagree that the ending simply makes her out to be neurotic. Such an interpretation undermines what I see as a complex denouement. For me the ending doesn't at all negate the past wrongs Johnnie did. Instead, I consider this film a study of how slippery those emotional slopes can be once things tilt downhill. That's what makes it so haunting for me, and why I think the ending works. The movie is saying, yeah, Johnnie is immature and irresponsible, but when we think about it, he isn't any more so than many dashing men out there. The world is full of compulsive gamblers and liars. While they shouldn't be excused for their actions, it is also dangerous to let somebody's few faults cloud your entire outlook and make you paranoid. In fact, the ending may be the sharpest indictment against Johnnie, because it's sort of saying "See, this is where smooth talking and irresponsibility will get you. It will make the people you love become afraid of you." So the movie, to me, is both a warning against characters like him and a study of the nature of paranoia. Really, if I wasn't aware of the book and didn't know the ending was changed as such, I would've thought the way the movie ended was the best way to go.

It's also a great pointer on the dangers of "love is blind."

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Sometimes I wonder if other people were watching the same movie I was. But your comments show that someone was following along.

Hitchcock wanted the ambiguity. That's what the entire film was about. It's about "suspicion". Throughout the film, Lina has her suspicions--sometimes based upon fact, sometimes not. And we follow along with her, feeling the same suspicions, which creates suspense.

To me, the ending was not ambiguous. Hitchcock wraps it all up with a bow and everyone can nervously laugh about the ride on which they were taken. Of course Hitchcock wanted a darker ending. He would get his way two years later with "Shadow of a Doubt".

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There is no question that Johnnie is a freakin' murderer. Grant plays it that way throughout the film. While he is a rogue and charmer, he deserves to get his just desserts, i.e. death, for being such a wicked, evil person that he is. Johnnie should have lost control of the car and gone over the cliff and Lina was saved miraculously! Money and living the good life drove him to it. Owing Captain Melbeck finally drove him over the edge.

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Who did he murder?

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Even Hitchcock hated the ending, so why should we simulate we're happy with it?

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i loved the ending.

grant plays a textbook psychopath and in the end he is still undiscovered (as happens with the vast majority of real psychopaths)

the movie gives a perfect illustration of what it is like to be in a relationship with a psychopath.

(remember: most psychopaths are nonviolent)

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I don't have to hate the ending because Hitch did. Once a director births a film it's the right of everyone watching it to determine in which way it is a good or poor attempt at film making. I liked the ending. I think it works. Just because Hitch didn't makes no difference to me at all. He can be wrong sometimes :-) - not all his movies were genius. He did, however, make an excellent movie when he made this one - ending and all.

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I agree with DesmondRules. Directors, like so many other artists, often feel they could have done it better in retrospect.
As shown by so many Director's Cuts, the opposite is usually true.

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It is no surprise Hitchcock would have said at some point that he did not like the ending, given that he was forced to make a change from his original intention. Under the circumstances though the change he decided on could hardly have been bettered. I say this with the assumption that it was consciously ambiguous as it seems unlikely that Hitchcock would have expected the entire audience to swallow it as a straight happy ending. The book 'The Alfred Hitchcock Story' by Ken Mogg points out that there is some evidence earlier in the movie to suggest that Johnnie may still be lying: he tells Lena he was in Liverpool to deal with the insurance business, but the letter he received from the company shows it as having a London address. Mogg also mentions that it fits nicely with Beaky's earlier statement that Johnnie can lie his way out of anything.

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I think this ending works better than the one Hitchcock planned first: that Joan Fontaine's character would let her husband to murder her because of love. It would've been an interesting twist and might have worked out just fine, but I prefer this. And yes, it does not ruin the film - I think it's a brilliant climax for the theme of twisted marriage and bourgeois peace.

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Its a pity the Hitchcock version of the ending he envisaged isnt available . We could judge for ourselves .

It would have been nice to see Grant in one or two more darker roles

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Honestly this is one of the my least favourite Hitchcock flicks. For some reason I did not like Cary Grant playing a negative character. There were a lot of blurry lines in his character... to say he's a pyschopath in the film to say anything without conclusive evidence. His character could be genuinely in love... he kept saying how marrying Joan was the finest thing he's ever done. One could sense the genuineness in those words... and joan by no means neurotic because she has given him many benefits of the doubts,.. even we, the audience thought she should give up! So ending was clear to me - unfortunate turn of events made her suspect him, and he got suspected for no fault of his.. perhaps leading from his lavish, lazy character we see early on (remember the train scene).. there was reason for joan to doubt him. In the end, we with her learn he's not as bad it appeared. And the name was brilliantly fitting. Suspicion. It absolutely was about suspecion in the end.

PS: I did not like why would cary grant call the beautiful Joan fontaine, monkey face. It really annoyed me. :D

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Most people hate the ending, because of the book. I like Joan Fontaine and watch this movie as teen, and thought wow didn't see that coming. Later I found out about the book and read it. Johnnie in the book is horrible, a monster. Cary Grant as fine of actor as he was, would find it diffcult to portray the Johnnie in the book.He stole,lied,cheated and was a murderer. Also he had no remorse in doing so, still she loved him. It is very rare to find a movie based on a book where I think the movie is better than the book, this is one of them for me. I have read alot of book and this book made me sick and mad as hell that her charcter was so I don't really know the word I am looking for, but I will use weak willed. By the end I was scraming at the book(yes silly I know)grow so balls woman and leave this a**hole. The better ending for me would have been if she killed him, but that was not to be, she goes to her death willingly, only to write her mother a letter telling her of Johnnie guilt. So, that my take and I will love the film just the way it is.

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I had never heard of the book when I saw the movie. And I thought he was going to kill her right up until the end and I felt it was tacked on or changed so Cary Grant wouldn't be seen as a murderer.

I'm glad after reading your post that I never read the book because I would have been screaming at her too. LOL. What a doormat.

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I just watched the film today and read online about the different ending of the book. After reading your post I think I'm gonna skip it :/

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RKO ( Studio ) forced the director to to have a positive ending to "Protect Cary Grants image"

It wasn't just that. Hitch wanted Grant to be a killer, and when he showed it that way to test audiences, they simply would not accept Cary Grant as a murderer. They just wouldn't have it, so the ending was changed.

A funny bit from Robert Osborne-
He talked about how Grant's motive was supposed to be that his wife had cheated on him. The female contigent thought that was outrageous-the very idea that any woman would cheat on Cary Grant! That had to be nixed too.

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I read somewhere that actually it wasn't particular to Grant. In general the producers were very uncomfortable about any of their major stars portraying murderers. And on some later films Hitchcock faced similar difficulties in persuading them to allow a lead actor be a murderer.

Although I tend to think the ending does always leave a slight sour taste in the mouth, because everything is just explained away so quickly, part of me is privately glad they didn't have Grant be the killer. Because he's just so brilliantly menacing throughout the film, and frankly sinister and plausible as a sociopath, that it might have been very worrying watching him in anything light afterwards.

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You maybe right. If you have seen Rebecca the older version with Sir Laurence Olivier, the changed the ending too. The book and a new version of the film was different. I think they had a problem with leading men being murderers.

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Imo the "problem" with the ending to Rebecca was not necessarily that the lead actor might have murdered someone as that he would get away with it. That is a different consideration.

In the ending I understand originally considered for Suspicion, Johnnie would have likely gotten caught if he killed Lina, thanks to Lina's letter to her mother. The objection to that in fact was more about Grant's image as a leading man.

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In the movie, she didn't trust him. At the end, why she decided to believe him?

This is questionable, don't you think?


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I think she trusted him, because he gave her the strong impression that he was saving her rather killing her by pushing her.

Unlike the book, the film is far more ambiguous about Johnnie being a murderer. So I like the film's current ending, because it leaves us to have our own interpretation. In the book, we can easily conclude that Johnnie is a murderer.

But in the film, it is questionable.

Unlike the novel "Before the fact", the film focuses much more on the psychology of Lina. For example, the Anagram scene in the film isn't in the novel. Another example is where the atmosphere becomes very dark when Lina reaches the house after visiting the land Johnnie and Beaky decided for their corporation. When Lina finds out that Beaky is alive, the atmosphere becomes a bright and joyful atmosphere while Vienna Blood waltz is playing in the background.

Unlike the book, the film also focuses on the inner conflict of Lina. For Example, the scene where Lina talks to her father's portrait - "He didn't go to Paris. He didn't go to Paris I tell you."

Beaky was a good friend of Johnnie since his childhood. And Johnnie was broken all of his life financially. Lina's suspicion starts only after their marriage.

We even see Lina saying this in the beginning of the movie "Oh, I know you didn't marry me for my money. You could have done much better elsewhere."

As for the testimony of the waiter, it isn't clear if Johnnie is the murderer. This is because French waiter only has a slight understanding of English. So its also highly possible that Beaky was talking about Old Bean, but not talking to Old Bean. French Waiter says "Old Beam or Holby" referring to "Old Bean." So we know how much he understood the conversation.

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It's left ambiguous. We don't know at the end if Johnny is or isn't a murderer. It's been established that he is duplicitous and an inveterate liar. He could be whisking Lina home to kill her.

I liked the ending.

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I don't think the ending "ruins" the film, but it is very disappointing.

Lina (and the audience) are asked to believe his latest cock-and-bull story?? I don't. And there can be nothing good in store for the couple, so it's not really an ending to the story. Death.... either hers or his... is the only way she can be rid of the jerk that Grant plays.

BTW, where was Hitchcock's cameo? I missed it.

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You know, the ending did make me feel like the whole film was a total waste of time. And yes, I do appreciate how ambiguously it ended, but... did it really?



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Konway is right, the film and book are a lot different. The book is a nasty tale of lies, murder and abuse. Johnnie is a terrible man and Lina is in a web, doesn't seem or want to get out of. The film however is left up for debate, you can look at Johnnie as a conman who loves Lina, but can't change his ways or he is a terrible man hell bent on murder and financial gain. It is left up to the viewer, but you have to remember the time frame when this movie was made and Cary Grant appeal and popularly. Lots of films of that era when left up to your imagination and not clearly plotted, do to restriction for morality and ratings. Grant also was a beloved man with his appeal being more toward comedy and drama, not a charming murderer. Lina in the film has more backbone than the one in the book, but she is still easily controlled, that is why it focuses on her father at the beginning to give an idea of why she is so easily falls for Johnnie and his manipulation. Lina the book was like a doormat in my opinion and I spend a great deal of time yell at it.

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