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One of the all time worst shots


in the history of film.

At 1:33 in to the film, the two women Madame Ginsling and Poppy are confronting each other as Mother/Daughter. There are medium close up shots of Madame Ginsling that look "patched-in" there is no scenenry or visuals no cinematography surrounding her in the shot. It looks like he took these medium close-ups with a grey wall behind her. It is so ugly and like a super low budget cheesy film. And this is von Sternburg! wtf?!

I wanna be sedated....

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I think maybe your memory is playing tricks. There are no medium shots of Mother Gin Sling without background detail, There are some relative close ups (just wide enough to get in the whole of her elaborate head dress) without set details in the b.g. but in these there is always background shadowing. I imagine that background set details were kept out of frame so as to not make the shot look too busy and to avoid conflicting with the outline of the headdress.
I know what you mean about the relative simplicity of the background in these shots (the close ups of Poppy are similarly treated but it's not so obvious because the framing is closer) but they are never as unaesthetic as you suggest.

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It looks so "patched-in" the editing, as if they had to go back later after principal filming-- put Ona Munson by herself saying her part of the conversation.
Actually though, the blame for this may not be that of the Director.


Art is what you can get away with..
-Andy Warhol-

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Must admit the editing in some sections of The Shanghai Gesture gave the film a choppy quality which baffled me. Although the version I saw was a 1981 re - release, so there possibly is technical reasons for the editing.

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Not the best von Stenberg film

Some people never go crazy. What truly horrible lives they must lead.
--Charles Bukowski---

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