she's 16 he is 40


i find it interesting that when it came time to cast cooper's(who was 40) love interest they chose an underage 16 yr old joan leslie and nobody raised an eyebrow back in the 40's. that would be like having a love story between miley cirus and brad pitt today. there would be such an outcry and the director would probably be charged with child abuse. the funny thing is that leslie and cooper had real chemistry together.maybe those old black and white movies somehow make everybody look older.

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Joan Leslie also worked with James Cagney and Fred Astaire during her teen years. I wonder if anyone added a few years to Joan's age around this period?
It's true that she had terrific chemistry with Gary Cooper and the other leading men, despite the huge age difference. I can't think of anyone today of that age who could display good acting and chemistry with someone so much older than they are (even if no one had a problem with the age difference, though I'm sure they would).

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Her chemistry with Coop in here was great. She worked with Cagney, too?


And Reagan, Ryan, and Zachary Scott. Lucky girl.....

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She was lucky!!! Reagan as well as Coop and Cagney!




And opposite Scott in "Born To Be Bad," and she had a great scene with Ryan where she sat on his lap in the office after he had sold his book to her boss, lol. It wasn't romantic, she was upset about Joan Fontaine trying to come between her and Scott. Anyway it was really a hoot, and Joan Leslie was gorgeous in that film, and had some wonderful clothes. A great wallow.

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She played Cagney's wife in "Yankee Doodle Dandy."

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She also worked with Bogart in "High Sierra." And was Dennis Morgan's love interest in "The Hard Way." The best example of the "sweet young thing." As young as she was, she did fine in all of these parts.

My favorite Joan Leslie line: "They give it to you, Alvin. The people of the State of Tennessee. Fof what you done."

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I know this doesn't matter, but they weren't 16 and 40. They were 15 and 39. And as for the Brad Pitt comment, Brad is 45, not 40.

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Brad is 55, not 45.

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In 44 years, I will post "Brad is 99"!

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Well, I think this has only became an issue in recent years with all the stories about teachers and students doing you know what.

The main thing to keep in mind is that it is only a movie. Alvin wanted Gary Cooper to play him or otherwise he wouldn't have allowed the movie to be made.
I believe Joan's mother was on set supervising too as she did all Joan's movies until she turned 21. Joan's age at the time was pretty accurate as Gracie was 14 when they first met and 18 when they married. Alvin was 13 or 14 years older.

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Reading the biography here on imdb , the age of York when married was 28 to 30, and the actual age of his wife, was 16., York also didn't want a vibrant actress but a wholesome non smoking actress to play his 16 year old wife..,
and I'm watching this film as I write this, an didn't even notice the age differance as the make up and clothes and acting took away from any noticeable properties of these fine actors..

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Most Americans before the child labor laws were passed married at 16.

There were not many high schools and most states highest grade was 8th.

While my Grandmother was in school they added the 9th and 10th, and when my father was in elementary school they added the 11th and 12th and that is in the early 1930's.

Its nothing before 1900 to see a man with some means at age 40+ to marry a 15, 16 year old.

One of my neighbors in the 1980's father married at age 16 and his wife was 16, they had 8 childern. She died when they were 75, he married again to a 16 year and they had 8 childern, the youngest child of the second marriage was my neighbor, he died at age 75 in 1984, his mother lived until the mid 1970's.

Times change and people are today know little of hard times and hard work.

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that would be like having a love story between miley cirus and brad pitt today. there would be such an outcry and the director would probably be charged with child abuse


Someone should pitch that cast, it sounds like a blockbuster.

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Well at 16 in 1916 in the south she was already an old maid. The real Alvin York stipulated that the woman to play his wife had to be pure, believe in god and not curse, drink or smoke. So they had to get someone as young as possible, because most people grow out of their childish beleifs in myths.

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Just wondering what would motivate a 16 yr old girl to marry a 75 yr old, who already had a ton of kids who were all older than her?!!!! Other than a gold digger of course; but then you would have to work thru all the kids to get your money when the old guy passed! I can see a 20 yr old girl marrying a 40-45 yr old who is set, successful, etc...(even if he has a ton of kids). BUT 75-come on, unless that man is Hugh Hefner! And then it is all about the mystique of-can one man really please THAT many women!!? And it is true, you were an old maid if not married by the end of your teen years. The average life span until WW11 was only 47, because we had yet to discover penicillin. And so many died very young from diseases w no cure! Of course, most marriages were still arranged ones at that time period! And lets not even talk of the visual of a 75 yr old and 16 yr old together. That approaches the absurd! And to have a passel of kids-WOW

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OK...I've read and re-read your post trying to make sense of it, and you're just going to have to clear some things up...

#1. What on EARTH are you talking about with regard to a 16 year old girl marrying a 75 year old man? That is nowhere in the plot of this movie!!

Even if that DID occur in real life (and it DID in the case of young girls marrying Civil War pensioners on both sides in the mid 20's through the early 30's), the wills of these men could be changed to fit the desires of the aforementioned men, and frequently were, with the provision made that anyone who contested it was left with NOTHING...

#2. I am FROM the eastern part of the state of Tennessee, quite close to Fentress County, where Alvin York was from, and it is a complete MYTH that by the time a girl is in her late teens that she is an "old maid." It was NOT at all a "common occurrence" for girls to be married by the early, middle, or even late (17 or 18) teens.

The MOST common time for young women to marry was in in their early twenties, although it was certainly not UNCOMMON to see 19 year old girls married. It was much more rare to see young teenage girls get married, and it was usually always to "boys" just a few years older than themselves...

My grandmother was born in 1908, and she was married for the first time at age 18. Her sister (2 years older), was first married at age 20, and her younger sisters were married (both of these long marriages) at 24, and 19 respectively.

They were ALL "from the hills," and none of them went past the 8th grade. It just wasn't done for most families - although the more affluent families sent their daughters to finishing schools and on to college - but ALL of the sisters made wonderful lives for themselves, and lived well into old age, the youngest dying at age 98 just two years ago.

#3. I've been doing genealogy for close to 25 years, and another common myth is life expectancy. You state that up until WWII, the average life expectancy was 47 years. Well, I don't know where you got your figures, but they were incorrect.

While it's true that infant mortality rates have greatly influenced these numbers well into the 20th century, the average life expectancy was almost age 50 as early as the mid 1880's, and that was in the industrialized parts of the country, where a person was FAR more likely to meet with death due to having a limb ripped off by a machine, or being run over by a street car, or being killed in an apartment fire.

Not to mention catching an incurable disease while living in a rat infested tenement. With streets that were covered in animal feces, and the drinking water was tainted with typhus.

In the rural areas and smaller towns, people lived (and had since the 1600's) into their 80's, 90's,and beyond. Having been involved in genealogy for as long as I have, I've seen it all over the country. People just think that once you got to around 35, your days were numbered, and it simply wasn't the case at all...

I mentioned my grandmother...HER grandmother was born in 1848. She was the oldest of 11 children that were "spread out" over about 25 years. She stayed at home to help take care of her mother, who was a bit "sickly," or so the story goes. She then had HER kids starting when she was 31 (late for that time period for a first child), and she had three. She lived until right after her 101st birthday. Just long enough to see my sister come into the world in 1949!

All of her siblings (except two) lived LONG lives, and all three of her kids lived into their 90's...

A lot of the relatives in that family lived long lives, starting three generations back, and I've seen it all over the country in family trees since the 16 & 1700'S...

Of course, people die at all ages, and for any number of reasons. Cancer, heart disease, young men dying during wartime (our own Civil War wiped out an ENTIRE generation in one fell swoop), what have you. Accidents, even on the farm. Murders, the list goes on...

The point I was making, is that those numbers are just that...

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Whatever. Gary Cooper looked old. He looked like a 40 year old living at home with momma and boozing it up and fighting, till he meets the 16 year old girl.

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Well, Alvin York was about 12 years older than Gracie... Cooper looked good no matter his age, and Joan Leslie was mature for her age...

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