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Am I the only one who noticed?


Here's an odd bit of trivia for you... Penny Serenade was released by Columbia Pictures yet all the records Irene Dunne listened to (and who knows, they may have only filmed one and kept re-using it throught the picture) had RCA-Victor labels. I believe Columbia Pictures was tied in with the Columbia company which included The Columbia Broadcast System (CBS) and Columbia Records, the oldest record producing company in the world. RCA owned the competing Victor label and also NBC. It is odd that a production company of Columbia's magnitude would not self-promote, especially in that day and age when the competition between record labels, and radio listenership, was high.

I am not sure if the "recordings" used in the soundtrack were Columbia artists (which in the 40's included Frank Sinatra, Benny Goodman, Peggy Lee, and others) or not. I didn't recognize the voices.

I also noticed that the labels on the records Dunne played were the contemporary RCA-Victor design at the time the film was made even though the records were supposed to have been purchased as early as 1932 (according to the writing on the album that AppleJack pulls out in the first scene). In the early 30's RCA Victor was using the Orthophonic scroll label. OK... I'm a record geek...

It was also interesting seeing "Uncle Joe" from Petticoat Junction in the role as AppleJack. Boy did he play that part oddly! I wasn't sure whether to like his personality or not.

I'm usually a Cary Grant fan, but he also played his part oddly and came off to me as terribly dysfunctional (as did the whole adult cast with the exception of Miss Oliver). Penny Serenade was an interesting watch, but in all honesty it won't find its way into my top 100 favorite old movies.

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Nicely done, Andrew. I must have watched Penny Serenade about thirty times over these past 16 years or so (and more recently have been fast-forwarding throught those scenes during the night in which Julie and Roger bring the baby to the apartment because it's a little much), and had noticed the RCA record labels but hadn't considered them out of the oridinary.

If Julie and Roger marry on New Year's Day, 1932, then it must stand to reason that they meet around the spring of 1931, do the dancing and beach scene that summer and then advance to her New Year's Eve celebration.

“You Were Meant for Me” was introduced in Broadway Melody of 1929, so film audiences of 1941 would probably know this. If Julie tells Roger at the record shoppe that this 78 RPM is a new release, then one may assume that it's a 1931 cover version because its vocalist isn't identified, and he's not the same artist from the film.

But it's scratched — which is what drew Roger’s attention into the record shoppe in the first place. Would Julie have sold him this scratched disk? — evidently unless by strange coincidence his purchase skips in the same exact place.

One may assume, then that because the only time they share after their marriage happens on the train, that Julie arrives in Japan in the spring, at which time she suffers from the earthquake. When they arrive at Miss Oliver’s adoption agency, one may figure this to be around the fall of 1934.

Trina turns six around 1940, and, one year later, Julie and Roger are pondering events of her last Christmas program, which would place the climax in present-day 1941.

I agree that Beulah Bondi is very effective as Miss Oliver but also think that Edgar Buchannan, Irene Dunne and Cary Grant also deliver compelling performances. I would also like to have seen the return of Ann Doran (as Dottie) in the film.

Many years back, someone asked me why, if Julie and Roger foresake all else for the sake of Trina, she doesn't accompany him to the hearing. I figured that this was for Dramatic effect, for him to have his big scene, and then for her to add plenty of pathos afterwards.

Similarly, during the earthquake sequence, they are both helpless against nature, but at least the collection of records survive, as the one thing which they are both able to hold onto.


“No one is useless in this world who lightens the burdens of another.” —Charles Dickens

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Many years back, someone asked me why, if Julie and Roger foresake all else for the sake of Trina, she doesn't accompany him to the hearing.


I think she stayed home because losing another child was too much for her.

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Actually, I believe the action of the movie was supposed to begin in the late 1920's when these songs were first released, and certainly, "You Were Meant for Me" was such a well-known melody at the time, I can't imagine that someone wouldn't have recognized it in a re-release. As for the comment about the Columbia singers, vocally I believe the style suggests a much earlier time. In addition, there is no discussion of WWII, which confirms it's not being set in the mid-thirties to early forties. As for the costumes confirming this theory, it's hard to say since it was very common to dress the stars in the mode of their day, and to only suggest the styles of the past. I believe this can be seen in Julie's chiffon collar at the New Year's party, the double layered peplum dress at the birthday party, etc.

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In the begining of the movie the record album has "xmas '32". I have found, I believe, every filming flaw in the entire movie because I have watched it so many times. This is very common in all the movies of that day.
I am so thrilled that Penny Serenade is so watched that every little thing is noticed. Irene Dunne was a great actress and a great person and I think Penny Serenade was one of Cary Grant's best performances.

I wish everyone had a complete, sharp copy like I am fortunate to have because some copies out there not very good copies.
Maybe someday someone will have all Irene Dunne movies restored.

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Yes, I did notice that, and notably the use of all the RCA Victor imagery in the music shop. I saw at least two 'Nipper' dog statues. Maybe RCA owned the rights to the tunes that Columbia wanted to use and agreed to a little mutual handwashing.

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You're mistaken in thinking there was any corporate connection between The Columbia Broadcasting System and Columbia Pictures Corporation. They were totally separate entities. As it happened, I worked for both of them!

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Since you love trivia, did you know?.....

The title of the painting that shows Nipper listening to the gramophone is: "His Late Master's Voice" not "His Master's Voice" as it later was renamed. The original title (which appears on some of the earlier marketing materials and record labels) was deemed too depresssing for the buying public. No one wants to think of something grizzly like a dead man's voice coming out of a machine. So the concept was changed to allow Nipper to hear the voice of a living person.

There were rumors that the original painting has the dog and machine sitting on a coffin, which is ridiculous. The original painting (and the logo) has both on a table with tablecloth.

"When you throw dirt, you lose ground" --old proverb

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Does anyone else remember the earthquake? It was 1923. So it was set in the 20's.

You sold your soul to the devil when you put on your first pair of Jimmy Choo's, I saw it.

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Don't laugh, but initially I mistook the earthquake for the attack on Pearl Harbor. OK, wrong decade and wrong continent, but I think the 1941 release date of this film brought it to mind.

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Me too!

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