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Inexplicable decline in Fields's popularity.


If dvd and vhs had been around in the 60's or 70's, it would've been unthinkable that the entire works of Fields wouldn't be available. He was HUGE, a cultural icon on a par with Bogart, the Marx Brothers and Chaplin (of course, their stars may've faded, too -- all I know is if I bring Fields's name up around my twenty/thirty-something coworkers, all I get is blank stares). Maybe it's because nobody's doing drugs these days -- at least, not the right kind. They might be necessary to properly appreciate this film, as amazing an example of native American surrealism as you're ever likely to see in a mainstream movie.

So what's it cost to release a picture like this on dvd these days -- $50? Come on, somebody!

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I'm trying to start a big argument on here that this is a better car chase than BULLITT-whats your opinion

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Field's decline in popularity is because his films aren't shown.
Let's see. . . . . he drinks, he smokes, he doesn't like children, he makes racial remarks, he tries to pick up women. If we want a revival of his popuarlarity perhaps we should start a rumor that he was gay; then we'd hear nothing else.

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Yes indeed, he represents an "immorality" that contradicts much of mainstream America's "family/church values". Further, he not a harmless innocent Tramp or Hunched semi-black faced Wisecracker but a threat to our very delicate, albeit moth-eaten social fabric.

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The collective sense of humor has really disappeared. Comedy used to be BIG. Now, we have some pretty lame excuses for comedy (generally speaking) and when something good does come along, we go ga-ga over it. When the comedy scene was richer, Fields' comedy did indeed enjoy continued revival and success. I really hope people learn how to laugh again..not just in reaction to something shocking, but in response to well timed gags, routines, character, etc.

Matt

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Times have changed. I may date myself but when I was young you could smoke at the ball park but you would be evicted if you shouted obscene words. Nowadays it's the reverse.

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"Field's decline in popularity is because his films aren't shown.
Let's see. . . . . he drinks, he smokes, he doesn't like children, he makes racial remarks, he tries to pick up women. If we want a revival of his popuarlarity perhaps we should start a rumor that he was gay; then we'd hear nothing else."


Exactly!

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Fields isn't exactly the easiest comedian to like at first. I remember when I was about 11 or 12 being a big fan of the Marx Bros., Wheeler and Woolsey, maybe some Abbott and Costello. Fields? Not so much. But then asking a preteen to really grasp Fields is silly since his humor is very adult oriented.

He's not the most likable character, but if you watch more and more of his movies you see the complexity: At once a drunken reprobate, and also devoted father. At once a small town everyman, and also a flamboyant showman.

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its explicable! Although Fields, himself, is talented, charismatic, and hilarious, most of his films flat out suck.

Just watched "YCCAHM" the other night for the first time in 20 years. He was amazing, but any scene without him had the structure and nuance of a 3 Stooges episode (without the Stooges). Truly painful. Again, Fields was great, but Charlie McCarthy's performance was "wooden".

Also, it appears like many of Fields scenes, lines, etc. were improvised. Not a complaint, but it indicate a lack of emphasis on narrative, plot, other characters, and would explain why scenes without him in his movies are so weak.

What the *beep* is a Chinese Downhill?!?

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but the marx brothers movies are the same way and everyone loves (some) of them

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I disagree. I've been watching all the W.C. Fields movies I can get a hand on lately. I'm shocked by how many top-notch films he made. I always thought his only real classics were The Bank Dick and Never Give a Sucker an Even Break. But now I find that The Old-Fashioned Way, You're Telling Me, The Man on the Flying Trapeze and It's a Gift are all terrific. And his lesser films are all worth seeing.

I do agree that You Can't Cheat an Honest Man is not a great film. But look at the others.....

... Justin

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Frankly, I think his short, "The Dentist" is one of his best works. That whole bit of the wrestling match between him and the woman in the dentist's chair is as funny as it gets!

The art of comedy that has been more or less lost over the last few decades is how to make people laugh without having to resort to crude language and fart gags. Jack Benny, Oliver Hardy, and Buster Keaton could elicit laughs simply by looking at the camera. Not a line needed to be uttered. W.C. Fields and Groucho Marx were masters of the wisecrack. The Three Stooges and Laurel and Hardy performed outrageous yet "clean" slapstick. And audiences LOVED to laugh at them.

If only "comedians" like Ben Stiller and Adam Sandler could have the guts to be true film comedians in the classic sense...

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I took a big interest in old movies when I was a kid; and I always assumed that Fields was still huge. All the old Fields-related books I got from the library said he was more popular than ever. Now I find that's not true. His movies have a shockingly low number of IMDb votes: this one has only 482.

You're right. If DVDs had been available in the late-60s there would have been a huge demand for Fields. And if there had been an IMDb the votes for his films would have been in the thousands.


... Justin

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I think it's totally explicable. Tastes in comedy go through cycles and at this time people are so into being politically correct that even the people that like these films are afraid to admit it. This results in them not being shown. As a result, the younger people who may like the films (even though they may be in the minority) don't even get a chance to see them. I've been trying for a few years now to get TCM to show Fields' earlier Paramount flicks with no success. All they ever show is "The Bank Dick", "My Little Chickadee" and "Never Give a Sucker an Even Break" These films are good, but they show Fields in a period of severe physical decline, so people nowadays don't see him as he was in his prime. This is what has led to his decreased populaity. When I was growing up in the '60s, one channel in the Bay Area (I'm from San Francisco) showed Fields films at least once a week for years. That was how I was originally exposed to his work. Because I liked it immensely (and still do) I then went to the revivals which happened periodically thoughout the '60s and '70s. The only way to get these hilarious films shown, so they can be appreciated, is to get enough people to get on TCM's website and request they be shown. Help me out here, people!

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Well, actually, I think the claim that people nowadays demand "politically correct" humor is very exaggerated. It may be true that studios and channels whose major audience is children have abandoned racial humor and such almost entirely; Disney is one example. However, comedies which appeal to adults --and I guess there's no way of denying that Fields is such a comedian-- goes so far to express their points that it's not funny anymore. "South Park," for instance, is in my opinon one of the least funny TV shows ever, primarly because the characters say what they want to say exactly as they please; Fields said all those things, too, but because he wasn't permitted to use indecent words, he had to work hard to say what he thought without mentioning it, which naturally made his humor far more intelligent and funny. But that's not what most people want these days; people want the jokes delivered directly into their minds because they're too lazy to figure things out themselves.

To comment the original question here, I believe the are two major reasons why Fields's films are largely neglected today: 1, they are all in black and white, which make them unappealing to most people between 13 and 35; 2, the humor included in the films is unfailingly "adult humor," which also make them unappealing for children (I've noticed that children often have a more positive attitude toward old films than teenagers), thus it is difficult to introduce him to new generations. Fields still has a large cult-following among film enthusiasts, there's no doubt about that, but his name seems to be almost unheard of to the general public.

"Virtue needs some cheaper thrills." - Hobbe

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It is a matter of marketing. In the sixties, the old Paramount comedies were relatively inexpensive for TV stations and film societies to rent. Thus, Fields, Mae West and the Marx Bros. got a lot of exposure. Add to this that many markets might only have three, four or five channels, thus when an old movie aired it might not have much competition -- the late news, reruns of shows from the 50s, maybe Johnny Carson. Likewise, groups on college campuses could rent the old black and white films cheap and still charge admissions that were low, but still turned a profit for whatever group that sponsored the screening.

Since then there has been an explosion in the number of TV channels available thanks to cable and dish, so you'd think that Fields, et.al., would get more exposure then ever. But instead, the competition to capture viewers is fierce. A cheap old black and white movie might get a decent audience, if there are only two or three other choices. But if that same film has to compete with stuff on 150 other channels, it might not have much of a chance. The great hope of cable television was that it would narrowcast; there would be so many channels that each could concentrate on one type of program and one type of audience. And it started out that way. But now, all the channels that were once unique and focused on one thing all are pretty much alike; USA, Bravo, TNT, Lifetime, etc., all show the same sorts of programs and even the same programs. How many channels have shown reruns of the "Law and Order" and the "CSI" shows?
When I heard that there was going to be a Comedy Central channel I was excited at the thought that it would be showing Fields and Marxes and West, but instead what does it show? Endless reruns of SNL.


And sadly, we have an entire generation of kids who won't even watch two seconds of a film unless it is in color. Worse, we have a generation who, when they think of a "classic" movie, they think of something like DIE HARD!

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Just checked this thread for the first time in years--and I see it's also been years since your comment, but for such a trenchant observation, I've gotta add my "hear, hear!"

Your remark about the failure of "narrowcasting" really hits home. The first time I turned on the Arts & Entertainment Channel over 20 years ago, they were showing "Cosi Fan Tutte". Checked the listings just now and at this very moment they're showing something called (God help us) "Storage Wars"!

"STORAGE Wars"!!!

Just one small symptom of a disease that I honestly think is slowly destroying Western culture--the worship of the bottom line to the exclusion of any and all other considerations. Probably the inevitable endgame of a materialistic society, when you think about it. It puts me in mind of another trenchant (and prescient, since he made it nearly 50 years ago) observation by Roger Price: "In America, if everybody doesn't want it, nobody gets it".

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