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Does watching noir influence your ideas on the causes of crime?


And if you had to choose one, would you say that the main causes of crime are bad environment or the corruption inherent in the human soul?

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Yet another essay topic. Do your own homework!

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Do your own homework!

No need. I received my Master's decades ago. This is just something I posted for amusement and at this point I'm merely testing the waters. As soon as I find someone worth exchanging thoughts with, I'll take the trouble to adumbrate my own views on the subject.

Obviously, you don't fit the bill.

Next.

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Considering it took you 3 weeks to reply, and seeing as you allegedly received a Master's degree decades ago, you must be older than Moses. The second part of your user name also indicates a latent predilection for hideous primates, which is creepy in and of itself.

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Not older than Moses, and the name obviously suggests an acquaintance with William Burroughs's work. Other than that, you nailed it, buddy!

Next ............(poster, I mean, not next meaningless retort)

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Don't listen to him, he's being a dick. As to your question, I'd say it's a good mixture of both and noir shows that. There are plenty of well off men who weren't raised in harsh environments who are downright viscious (just saw Vertigo recently for the first time, and the man who killed his wife in the fashion he did is a prime example of that; though he did show some sympathy for getting the main character involved like he did).
As for environment, noir seems to show what reality does (to me at least). You get raised among people who support a certain way of thinking and you start to agree with them; right and wrong is DEFINITELY subjective in that way. I just read a book called Siberian Education that's a good look at things like that from inside a criminal community. Be prepared for the section where the author went to Juvee though, it's pretty fscked up.

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It makes me think crime is caused by bad girls...like Brigid O'Shaunessy (or whatever her name was) :-)

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Brigid O'Shaughnessy it was. Ah, bad girls, what would crime be without them? They may not fill much space in the penitentiaries but as Mae West reminds us, they're all around us. "There are no good girls gone wrong - just bad girls found out."

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My choices would be hubris, and a need for immediate gratification without paying one's dues (ethical laziness fed by inherent stupidity.)

I forgot to write- a bad upbringing may also contribute...
There are recently published studies claiming that an altruistic personality may be an indicator of high(er) intelligence.

"I'm issuing a restraining order: Religion must stay 500 yards away from Science at all times!!"

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Corruption inherent in the human soul is sine qua non, but we all share that. So why do some and not others choose crime? Well it is a choice, so anyone COULD become a criminal, but the likelihood varies from person to person according to various factors, many of which can be categorised under the heading Bad Environment.

The primary environmental factor must be upbringing, and in particular having an unstable family. I note that the latest mass shooter in Newtown was yet again one whose parents divorced some years ago, perhaps when he wasn't SO young but in the vast majority of these cases divorce has affected the perp at a much younger age.

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I grew up in a bad enviro, yet chose not to perpetuate. My life may have been "easier" if I'd chosen that path, yet some intrinsic part of me said no.
Everyone has a choice. That choice is often biased by need, but more often than not, convenience rules the choosing.

"I'm issuing a restraining order: Religion must stay 500 yards away from Science at all times!!"

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No, but reading the absolutely stupid questions posted on IMDB definitely influences my theories on the causes of crime.

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