Distressing soul merge


This film is fine until Mr. Jordan decides to leave Joe in Murdoch's body and erase his memory of being Joe. It is decidedly unangelic to "kill" someone's soul, his/her identity, his/her life that way. We humans aren't interchangeable. Joe was taken from his body before he died--he deserved another chance as Joe. Those who believe in nothing but their five senses will object on the grounds that the movie is a fantasy, that G-d, angels and a spirit world don't exist. I happen to be a believer, but aside from theological factors consider this: There is growing tendency to categorize human beings as nothing more than smart machines which have no unique value or claim on life. That doen't bode well for any of us.

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Ok, here’s my take on this.

There are 3 people here we have to account for – Joe Pendleton, Farnsworth, and Murdock - during the time that Joe inhabited their bodies.

Joe’s body is cremated after he supposedly dies so he needs another body in order for whatever essence Joe Pendleton has that is important to ‘fate’ to become boxing champ. After several rejections, Joe chooses Farnsworth’s body to try to resurrect his career as a boxer and in doing so meets Bette Logan. Note, he would never have met Bette Logan if he had chosen an earlier selection, rejected Farnsworth, or been able to return to his own body. Mr. Jordan obviously does not particularly know about Bette until after the Farnsworth incarnation, because if he did, wouldn’t he have directed Joe to Farnsworth immediately? So there is no particular future of Joe which had Bette in it, until that time. And in the last incarnation, he allows the new Joe and Bette to get together again. So, in an ideal world, he has already changed the ‘fate’ or ‘destiny’ of both Bette and Joe, while he (Jordan) focuses on the boxing champ aspect. Could Bette and Murdock have kids? Was Joe supposed to have kids? If so, wouldn’t these kids of the later marriage grow up totally different then those of Joe's possible original marriage? Or what of the difference between having kids and not, or the fate of Joe's possible original wife? Way too many questions, because the reality is (as shown in 'It's a Wonderful Life', we touch way too many other lives with our lives and that touching changes their lives)

Now I happen to believe that we as humans are the sum (at any particular time) of our past history, and how we have responded to events around us besides what we were born with – genes and experience, nature and nurture. We live, we grow, we learn, we meet, we remember, we forget. That is who we are. That’s why total amnesia is such a devastating complication. It wipes out almost everything that made who you are, what you are, along with all associations. No guarantee the new ‘you’ will ever pick up any of those again. But you still have the genetic material you were born with to pass along to your succeeding generations. That is still there.

So, what happened to Joe in the end, is that he has neither the memories of stored experience nor the genetic material he was born with. He is a different person, and no amount of minimal memory overlap will ever change that, since Mr. Jordan has erased most his memories. Note that neither Max nor Bette had their memories affected in the least. They are still who they were when they were born, but now with years of experience and memories to continue defining their persona. Not so with Joe. Only we (and poor Max, who no one will ever believe) the viewer have any idea who Joe was and all that he accomplished. Murdock with a few minor changes (which could happen to any of us with those so-called life changing events) is who he is now and will be until he dies.

Is that right or wrong? I can’t tell you because it is in general unanswerable. Only your individual feelings can provide an answer. I have enjoyed this version since I first saw it about 45+ years ago. But I do have my own personal feelings.

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Threads like this kill me. People will watch a movie and accept the premise that there are heavenly messengers who snatch a person's soul when he dies and are capable of inserting it into somebody's body, yet balk at the idea that people have a soul that's separate from their memories and superficial characteristics. It's all part of the playing field the writers have established.

When Bette connects with "Murdoch" in the last scene, it's the
"proof" the filmmakers provide that some part of Joe still survives in Murdoch's body. Like it or not.

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SPOILERS

At the end of the film, it is still the "soul" of Joe Pendleton in Murdock's body. But he is given the "identity" of Murdock to live the rest of his life with the woman (Bette Logan) he loves, because the "identity" of Joe Pendleton is confirmed dead among the people who live on earth due to both Joe Pendleton's accidental plane crash and Joe's body being cremated. In order to confirm that it is still "the soul" of Joe in Murdock's body, the screenwriters Sidney Buchman and Seton Miller wrote the scene where the "soul" of Joe recognizes the saxophone and he is having an amnesia of being the "identity" of Joe Pendleton.

"Biblically", this idea does have connection to John the Baptist. It is Elijah "spiritually" in John the Baptist's body. But in terms of "identity", he is John the Baptist. The memory of being Joe Pendleton is faded away so that the soul of Joe will "never" reveal himself as the "identity" of Joe Pendleton to the people who "believes" Joe Pendleton is dead. If the "soul" of Joe Pendleton "reveals" himself as "the identity" of Joe Pendleton, then he will also reveal himself that he was in Bruce Farnsworth's body. This will cause the people to believe that he is mad just like they thought Max Corkle was mad. This will also be a good reason that will prevent the "soul" of Joe Pendleton from getting Bette Logan.

Now with Murdoch's identity and Murdoch's body, the soul of Joe Pendleton can get what he wants - Max Corkle as his coach and Bette Logan as the woman of his life.

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I agree with the OP. Great movie up until that point but I wish the ending could have been handled differently. That is, either he "is" the other guy--meaning the other guy gets his life and his girl--very unsatisfactory. Or he gets the girl but doesn't know it as he isn't "himself"--not much better.

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I'm a Christian....but for movies like this, you just have to go with the flow and realize that it's only a movie. And you can imagine the ending however you want. I just imagine that it's Pendleton, but with a temporary memory loss. I like to imagine that some of his memories will come back when certain situations come up. Like when the girl starts talking to him and stuff. But that's a whole other movie.

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A beautiful sentiment. And, as a Christian, I think it's beautiful too that souls can be connected in ways which defy logic. But I don't buy that souls actually ever swap bodies except possibly in extremely rare cases which are out of natural order, or that a soul disappears to be replaced with another. A person can lose memory in this life but it's all there in the next. A nice movie but the ending bothered me so, would not watch again.

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Don't let the ending bother you. Their souls didn't merge. Pendleton just has temporary memory loss. That's how I choose to view it.

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