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If you like this movie, don't read. But I need to vent - wasted 2 hrs.


TCM rated this movie almost 4 stars, so I watched. I kept waiting for it to get better. All I can say is, to me it was one of the most dull, depressing, unbelievable stories I've ever seen put on film. Robert Young's character was such a joyless, wimpy, lifeless schmuck. I had no sympathy for him at all. *Spoilers ahead*
I couldn't understand Hedy's devotion to him, especially over all those years. Huh??? And he certainly didn't do his wife Kay any favors marrying her when he obviously didn't love her. He made himself a total doormat; no wonder his wife became a nag. I found myself wanting to yell at him to get a backbone! And Kay's (and his) SUDDEN turn-around at the end? After all those years of misery & martyrdom, suddenly everyone's all smiles? Not believable at all!

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Your take on the movie may have some valid points about the character depictions in the movie. Why didn't Robert Young's character just say "to hell with my family and responsibilities, and I will forsake it all for the love of my life"? That is an ideal decision for anyone in life. It is not all that simple. Believe me. There are many people in the world who never married the person who they considered to be their "soul mate". There are many circumstances in life that throw roadblocks that prevent it. In your case, you may not have any hindrances on doing so. The movie was stressing that point. Yes, the two lovers could have just chucked all of their past and just eloped. That does happen. But the message in the movie is that sometimes your idea of everything falling into place for your future does not always pan out. The two lovers still had a deep close bond despite going their different ways. They knew that they had to continue with the direction in life that they took 20 years ago. In fact, I know of a true story of high school sweethearts who broke up due to circumstances and then they married other spouses and went their separate way and when both became widowed, they reunited in their older age and got married.

Harry's wife (Ruth Hussey) at the end of the movie realized her husband's doubts about their way of life and marriage, so that is why she went to his office to go with him on a personal trip with him. She also realized that he still had a close bond with his former lover. I guess your reaction to that would have been "get out of my house you cheater and we will get a divorce immediately". She still had feelings for him so she was willing to work on their relationship. As for him having no backbone, it was well past the point of rejecting his current life since that decision was made 20 years ago. Yes, ideally he should have just jumped ship and married Hedy Lamarr's character. But that would have been wrong given that he made his choice 20 years ago.

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Oh, I didn't mean to imply he should have chucked his marriage. I think he should not have married his wife in the first place, since he didn't love her. And Hedy loving him? I find that unbelievable - what in the world does she see in him???? His wife & Hedy should have both chucked him!!!!

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Yes, that is a valid point on why he married Ruth Hussey's character after he split with Hedy Lamarr's character. That is a classic example of marrying on the rebound. After he lost his true love, he probably was hurt and looking for affection elsewhere. He did know Ruth Hussey's character since childhood and they were sort of like a "compass out of whack" after their split with their previous lovers. The old saying of "misery loves company" and I think both felt very bad and provided comfort to each other. She was the woman that society and his family expected him to marry and he probably felt that they were "destined" to be with one another (he makes some kind of statement near the end of the movie about this). I think that they both should have married someone else or even possibly stayed single, but they were sort of like victims of an "arranged" pairing. Arranged marriages are common in other societies (I know the movie is about a USA couple which doesn't apply).

As for Hedy falling in love with him. I guess it might seem implausible. The role of Harry Pulham was first offered to Gary Cooper and Jimmy Stewart. Personally, I can't see either actor being right for that role. Robert Young come across better as a person who is more introspective and more easily pressured by family responsibilities. It was said that the director of the movie had wanted an American actress to play that role. I also did find the attraction between the two to be a little "unbelievable", but Hedy's character seemed to be a woman who was career oriented and finally got to meet someone who wanted to spend time with her outside of work. She enjoyed his company and developed a strong feeling for him and started to also fear that he would leave her life. What did she see in him? Not sexual attraction that much per se. More likely mutual affection and finding someone whose personality matched hers and would be an acceptable lifelong companion.

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Here's a review from 1941 that says it all for me - ESPECIALLY the last line!!

By BOSLEY CROWTHER
Published: December 19, 1941

It seems as though there should be a certain amount of poignance in the tale of a man who is so much the victim of his rigid Bostonian background that he can't bring himself to break from it for the sage of the woman he loves. Yet, strangely enough, there isn't—not in the story, anyhow, of "H. M. Pulham, Esq.," as it is being told on the screen of the Music Hall. And the reason obviously is that it is told at such tedious length, with so many needless repetitions that are dull enough the first time around, that all of the poignance is boiled out of it and nothing much is left but a dry, melancholy flavor which faintly suggests withered leaves.

This is the film which Metro and King Vidor have studiously derived from J. P. Marquand's novel about a middle-aged, masculine Kitty Foyle, whose singular misfortune it was to have been born on the right side of the tracks. And, true to original pattern, it tells the story in flashback sequences—the story of Harry Pulham, his boyhood and Harvard career, his love affair with Marvin Myles, a New York advertising lady; his eventual resolve to forsake Marvin for Boston and a girl of his own type—all mulled over moodily in a nostalgic reverie. And, likewise in the spirit of the novel, he encounters his original love again, finds her still the Cynara to whom he has been faithful, in his fashion, but comes to the moral conclusion that he is better off with his wife.

This familiar Hollywood palliative of letting the hero eat his cake and have it too—since lovely and charming Ruth Hussey is the supposedly uninteresting wife—does not help either to add a respectable note of frustration to the tale. For if Robert Young, who plays the name role with a stiffness resembling that of the bowler hat set squarely on his head, is consoled in the end by Miss Hussey for the life he missed with Hedy Lamarr (Marvin Myles), then it scarcely seems that his mooding and yearning were justified.

In brief. Mr. Vidor has permitted his film to lose ironic point. And although he has handled certain details and etched character with clarity; although he has got from Miss Lamarr one of the sharpest and most insinuating performances of her career, he has failed to make "H. M. Pullham, Esq.," either a credible social comment or an account of a truly pathetic life. It is mostly a long-drawn whimper from a fellow for whom you can't hold much regard.

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Thanks for the review reference. Yes, I have to agree with much of what was stated on that article. The ending was not a "satisfying" one for me personally. You did end up with a feeling at the end of the movie that he was a wimp of sorts.

I also saw another Hedy Lamarr movie, "Come live with me". The ending also was a bit rushed and somewhat unbelievable as well. I am going to see another Hedy Lamarr movie "I take this woman". Might also come to a similar conclusion in that one too.

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I just read the plot behind another movie called, "To Mary With Love" which seems somewhat similar to this movie's plot. In this other movie, Myrna Loy is the main character who has to decide between two men (one who she married and is considering divorce and the other who loves her). It also is told in a flashback way just like this movie. The flashback is from the lover's perspective though.

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I have just watched this movie, thought it very good, and plan to rewatch it as soon as convenient.

In fairness to Harry, he has REAL responsibilities after his father died. What will happen to the family business? What will happen to his mother? What is he supposed to do--tell his mother "sell out and move into an old folks' home." I thought Marvin showed herself selfish in not understanding his position, or to be willing to give an inch for him. She made the decision to end their relationship in a way, not Harry. She simply gave him a "my way or the highway" choice and he couldn't go that far.

As for Harry being a wimp--well, he didn't look like a wimp on the battlefield. Putting responsibility above love might not be the popular life choice today, but it actually shows a man of character and moral fibre.

In the end, Harry might have ended up better off than Marvin. I thought the movie pivoted at the point he mentioned to her that he had children. She apparently did not, and Harry might never have had children either if he had chosen her.

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SusanJL; Was not buying your original criticism of the film then you bring up BOSLEY CROWTHER too justify your views. He was a 'beltway baby' before the term came into existence. No doubt thought the Buffalo still roamed just west of the Appalachians.

Unrequited love, never fulfilled, justified or vindicated. That is not the subject of a 'long-drawn whimper'. Unless you think that love is that trivial.

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This film can be viewed in different ways. I'm planning on showing it for a group in my apartment complex in a couple of weeks just to see what the reaction is.

I'm the kind of guy, when I move - watch my smoke. But I'm gonna need some good clothes though.

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SeventySevenyearoldguy; Would be VERY interested in seeing what your 'group' feels about this film. Use the IMDB scale so it will be consistent.

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Okay, I'll let you know...it'll be two weeks from tomorrow night and I'm not sure how many will stay for it. I'll be showing THE BAREFOOT CONTESSA first, and I usually then lose a few for the 2nd movie.

I'm the kind of guy, when I move - watch my smoke. But I'm gonna need some good clothes though.

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SeventySevenyearoldguy; OK.

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This was,even back in its day, a "prestige film", one with little box office appeal and that was a rarity for MGM which mostly relied on big box office attractions.

Some think Seventysevenyearoldguy is senile, so this is one of my last posts under that screenname.

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Seventyeightyyearoldguy; Why change? 2/3rds of the People out there cannot stand xerses13. Either of us and don't care.

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I meant that tag line as a joke since I was planning on changing to "seventyeightyearold guy today anyway. Then I sort of loused it up by changing my screen name yesterday afternoon instead of waiting until this morning. I had forgotten that the new screenname is also applied to all the old posts. LOL

Treat me nice! It's my birthday!

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Seventyeightyearoldguy; HAPPY BIRTHDAY!

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I thank you for that, xerses13...had a good dinner with my son and daughter-in-law, watched a pair of movies....

Life, every now and then, behaves as though it had seen too many bad movies

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Seventyeithtyyearoldguy; Check out next months offerings on TCM, lots of rare stuff.

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Alas, I'm not on cable right now. I've considered it, but really don't watch that much TV, and access to those wonderful old movies would eat into time that I spend on the internet, reading (I belong to AmazonVine, a group of customer reviers who get four free books a month for reviewing them), solving logic puzzles, previewing the films I plan to show to my group, and petting my cat. LOL

Life, every now and then, behaves as though it had seen too many bad movies

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Seventyeightyearoldguy; Choices have to be made and there is only so much time in the day.

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You might recall that there was one sequence in the movie where Van Heflin specifically told Pulham that he needed to get away from his family.

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This movie will be on TCM on Sept 17, 2012 in the evening (USA). I've seen it before. It's very interesting to me that I have almost an entirely different take on the movie. But I'm 64 and have had at least six 'love of my life' relationships (well probably a few more, wink).
So here's my take.

First of all there's no such thing as a SINGLE love of your life. There's a FIRST love of your life, and that usually has a special place in your heart. After all, life is 'new' to you, it's all in front of you and everything is glorious, the possibilities for ... what? let's say 'a fantasy life that never ends' (like the fairy tales)... are certainties. So you don't forget that love.

But then, at the age of 19 or 25 or 35 or sometimes 45 (in Robert Young's case) YOU GROW UP. You accept the realities about life... responsibilities are more important than the headiness of 'love love love'. If you really look at this movie, he did the best thing for a lot of people when he left his 'first' love.
The reality is that Hedy would not join him in that mature response to life. SHE is the one who could have had a good life in, where was it?, Philly? but she would leave NYC. A CHOICE folks a choice.

So he moved on with his life and married Kay before he had reconciled in his mind that Hedy was only his FIRST love, and that 'good ol Kay' was the woman he could make a good life with. And so he did.

I would hardly characterize Robert Young's character as a 'joyless, lifeless, wimp' unless of course you still classify your own parents that way, :). He was a MAN ... leading a good life and although far removed from the heady dreams of the very young, he had something FAR more satisfying... a functioning member of society, growing children, loving wife... maybe the sexual side of things needed a little 'lift', but that is easily rectified as is shown at the end of the movie. After all, KAY is in basically the same situation, what makes you think HE was the only love of HER life? She did what people do... they both did. They 'settled'... you know I used to think (in my early 20s) that 'settling' for someone or a situation was 'bad'. But it isn't. It doesn't mean you 'lower your standards'; it means you 'lower your EXPECTATIONS to realistic levels and you 'set aside' your fantasies about what life will be.

Life is what it is. This is a grubby backbiting world... particularly online. I am very anti-our-current-president (USA) and man oh man! do I get flamed! But only very young people 'should' imagine I CARE what their opinions are. Oh well. This character was more of a man when he was in his 40s then he EVER was when he was 'in love' with Hedy. I found him far more exciting. As for Hedy... they may still have some kind of emotional response to each other, but nothing 'real'. What's REAL is KAY. They were just in a 'dry spell'... everything goes in cycles, after all, even emotional responses to life.

Sure people run into their high school sweethearts after 50 years of living and sometimes end up married. Oh my isn't that romantic! But really it is nostalgia, nothing more. There is a lifetime of growing, maturing, accepting and enjoying life as is between high school and that so called 'second chance at love'. They end up together because at 60-80 it is still better to be with someone than alone. Is it love? yeah, it's kinda/sorta 'love'... not 'lost love' but 'LAST love' if you will.

But when they die and go to heaven (if it exists) and they have a choice, who do they end up with there? It's anyone's guess.
So I liked the movie but I didn't think Hedy was the love of his life and that he was stodgy. I thought he was a mature adult and KAY was the (current) love of his life, and Hedy was part of his past, that's all.

Life is a journey not a destination. Fear nothing.

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viweed - I agree with a lot of what you said. I would add (since I just spent the past few days reading the book - gasp) that Kay apparently did have another love (implied in the movie scene where her fiance' is all upset about where she and Bill King have disappeared to) and it didn't develop the way she anticipated. She and Harry did "settle" for each other.

***spoilers*** (for a 70 yr old book & movie)****

Since the movie is telling Harry's story (and not Kay's per se) we don't see what has been developing in her life during the time that Harry and Marvin Myles are together nor do we see any of Kay's reactions to life at the 'present' time of the movie (except her impatience). In the book there's strong evidence that she and Bill King are (and have been) having an affair but Harry makes excuses not to see it. There's no reconciliation in the sense that the movie gives; they don't go off together, they just stay married. Since the movie also changes around the later meeting of Harry and Marvin Myles, it has to (yes, because of The Code) give a 'happier ever after' ending with Kay. (And, yes, I mean 'happier' rather than 'happily'.)

I didn't really care for this movie the first time I watched it (which I have on DVD because I collect Robert Young movies). I have watched a few more times and I like it more each time.

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Enjoyed your response until you brought politics into it, it was an unnecessary aside.

-Nam

I'm on the road less traveled...

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The bottom line to this whole thing is that she didn't want to live in Boston and he didn't want to live in New York(personally, I wouldn't care to live in either!). Now if they could have only found a way around that and perhaps settled for living in a neutral locale, they might have found true happiness.

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nelson95 says > The bottom line to this whole thing is that she didn't want to live in Boston and he didn't want to live in New York
I don't think you were paying attention. The issue wasn't so much where they lived but what those places represented in their lives. In New York, Pulham was able to be carefree and could run his own life. In Boston, he was bound by family and other obligations that caused him to follow a predetermined path.

Marvin was the same way. In New York she could chart her own destiny and she loved it. Unlike Pulham, she had no ties that were holding her back. When there were, she was able to cut them loose. In Boston she felt stifled and the man she loved was weighed down by so many obligations he was almost unrecognizable to her.

Had Pulham gone to New York with Marvin they may have been happy for a while but eventually I think both would have resented the other, regretted the choice, and either parted ways or drudge on in the same kind of 'ships passing in the night' relationship Pulham had with his wife.

I think the lesson of the movie is you can't go back and undo what's been done. We can only move forward. It's a warning that we shouldn't just let life happen to us; we have choices. In Pulham's case I think he would have made the same choice he made all those years ago. Marvin wasn't selfish, as some say, she knew enough not to get sucked up into that phony Boston lifestyle. It worked for people who were accustomed to it but it wasn't for her. If she had moved there to be with Pulham, it would have been similar to him going to New York. Again, it wasn't about the place; it was about who they each were as people.


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I agree with you on the plot and characters. However it was a very well made movie. Beautifully filmed and directed, with lots of attention to detail. It's a shame the story was almost non-existent and pointless. The "happy ending" seemed odd and no one seemed to learn anything or be 'real' people at all. I too don't understand Hedy's devotion to such a wimpy/vague character! Best performance Hedy ever gave in my opinion.

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I wish the film had explored the following more deeply: Early in the film, Robert Young states that he realizes he's always been a follower, he does what others suggest he do and we see various examples of this thru out the film. Since I gleaned that this was a theme, I was disappointed with the ending; seems he just agreed w/ his wife's suggestion to go on vacation. Again, he followed someone else's suggestion, didn't really decide to do what he wanted to do. So, he was & continues to be a mush. Sure, it's a nice Hollywood ending as they drive off together, but Young's character did not evolve, he was still the same old go-along-to-get-along. Was this his lack of self knowledge or did he lack a self? Seems he was & will remain a reflection of everyone else's desire. There's no there there.

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Actually, the going away we see at the end is Kay conceding to Harry's suggestion at the breakfast table. If you watch it again, you'll see that he asks her to drop everything she has scheduled for the day and go away with him. She says he's being ridiculous, he is deflated by what she says and leaves for work rather dejected. He doesn't feed the squirrels, he arrives at 9:20 instead of the stroke of 9:00, he doesn't greet the staff, he kicks off his galoshes and leaves them. Most of all, he decides to see Marvyn which he had decided against the previous afternoon.

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Actually, the going away we see at the end is Kay conceding to Harry's suggestion at the breakfast table.
On the other hand, one can say that Harry concedes to Kay's request to go to the Berkshires because he realizes he can't go back to Marvin and that he & Marvin were not meant to be together. So, he stays with Kay & makes the best of it.

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I have to pretty much agree -- the story was totally banal - for one thing, Boston to New York isn't so far that two people in love can't have separate homes and see each other often enough to be happy.. in fact, IF Hedy wanted to stay in Europe, and me in the U.S., I STILL WOULD HAVE MARRIED HER! she was the most beautiful woman in the world, just to have known her as a friend would be reward enough..

as for Rob't Young, the studio cast Hedy b/c Young "wasn't very exciting", to say the least - that said, he fit this bland part of a bland person - spineless to say the least, also stiff, boring, uninspiring, and rather than "one in" a million, one OF a million others..

Hedy said this was her favorite performance - she's likely correct, it was her career and I've never seen her better - a woman of this beauty deserved much better, didn't she? I would have DIED for her, much less given up my home, career, parents, friends, ego, mansion - whatever it took!

as for Kay - a mannequin, and obviously cast as a "poor man's Myrna Loy", who was someone any man would have loved to come home to- that would have made this more believable..

I'd give this 2 out of 4 stars, or about 6 on a 10 scale, just b/c of Hedy --- 6/10

My only regret in life is that I am not someone else - Woody Allen

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I agree with you 100% about Hedy. MGM screwed her career, mainly cause he had all those drama Queens on the same lot...Garbo, Crawford and Shearer...they got the meaty parts and Hedy because of her beauty, got the second hand scripts...just think, after her impressive performance in this movie, they gave her the campy role of Tondelayo in "White Cargo" and her career went downhill...but I have to admit, Hedy was tantalizing in her outfit of a native.

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At the end, in the final scene, I think Vidor's subtle direction suggests that despite appearances Young remains unhappy, not reconciled to his fate. Under the code, however, this could not be made explicit,

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At the end, in the final scene, I think Vidor's subtle direction suggests that despite appearances Young remains unhappy, not reconciled to his fate
Agree. Harry settles again.

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There is a lengthy interview with Robert Young in Leonard Maltin's 2008 book, Leonard Maltin's Movie Crazy. Mr. Young relates how King Vidor requested him for this role AND went to bat for him against the studio. Mr. Vidor, in a book whose title I can't remember at the moment, praises Robert Young's acting in rather glowing terms.

Here's the excerpt;

" What I was told was that he stood against the entire studio. It was his choice that I play the role. And everybody got in the act. Those that had some say all lined up, literally, and said no. And he said, "Well, then, I won't do it." They didn't want to say too many derogatory things about me, but they said, "You can get this one, you can get that one..."
[Mrs. Young: "They kept saying you were too young, you looked too young."]
"Anything they could think of that would somehow diminish my attractiveness to King. King had his mind made up. I don't know why he did it, to tell you the truth. I was baffled when I told about it. I said, "Oh, you're just telling me that to make me feel good." [And someone said}"Go ask King if you don't believe me." So I finally went to King and I said, " I've been told that you put a pretty good fight for me to play the role," and he said, "That's right." I said, "Did you ever have any regrets?" He said, "Not once." I said, "What do you think about the end result?" He said, "Just exactly the way I thought it would be." Well,it was nice to hear."

It would appear that the film satisfied its director and it was a fine, mature role for Robert Young who was around 34 years old when it was released.

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