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Similarities to Wizard of Oz


I watched it last night. Wonderful film but did notice there were similarities in terms of visual effects with Wizard of OZ. Any of the makers involved on the two films?

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No, the only people credited on both films were:
Natalie Kamus. She was the wife of the inventor of the Technicolor process and she got a credit on just about every Technicolor film. She tried to control the look of Technicolor films so that they showed off the Technicolor process to best advantage. She usually had more luck with this in Hollywood films. Other people tended to ignore her
Cliff Shirpser. Cliff was one of the assistant camera operators of the Technicolor cameras.

Have you seen many Technicolor films? The colours do often look quite different to modern films or to other colour films from the time. There are also differences that can often be seen between American Technicolor films (like The Wizard of Oz) and British Technicolor films (like The Thief of Bagdad).

Was it a difference in the processing? Was it something in the water? Was it the ambient light? (The sun doesn't always shine in Britain like it does in California). I don't know the reason, but you can usually tell if it's a British or American Technicolor film just after watching a short extract

Steve

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The best guess that I've seen on the US / UK dichotomy (and it is there; the British ones have an overall "softer" feel to them; compare The Adventures of Robin Hood to any of the Powell & Pressburger technicolor pictures) is that it's rooted in the difference in intensity of ambient light. Being at a lower latitude, LA gets more direct intense sunlight than the UK (even compared to the clear, bright, sunny summer days the England does get). Then, of course, both groups would work on getting their studio lighting to match the look of their exterior photography for the sake of visual continuity.

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I've also read and heard over the years that "Thief" had just started production when "Oz" opened in August of 1939. Supposedly, Korda, Berger, and Powell saw it and decided to scrap all they had up to that point fearing that their ideas could not compete with the technical advancements they'd just witnessed. Many believe that the effects achieved in "Thief" would not have been possible without "Oz," the product of a well financed studio system.

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Who are these "many"? It is true that they stopped, scrapped most of what they had done and effectively started again but I've never heard mention that it was to do with The Wizard of Oz.

It was because the first director to work on it, Ludwig Berger, was doing everything with too many close-ups. So he was effectively fired and very little of his work remains in the film. But he had a good contract and still got his name on the film as a director.


There were 6 directors who worked on different parts of the film and it was only Alexander Korda, the producer, who managed to hold it all together and keep the common vision and style through the work of the different directors.

They also had to stop when war broke out on 1st September 1939 (well, it did for most of the world). Korda had already promised Churchill that he would make a propaganda film as soon as war was declared. So they stopped production on The Thief of Bagdad and made The Lion Had Wings with a lot of the same cast & crew. Production started on 3 September and it was released on 3 November.


They then moved production to America to film the last few scenes in the Grand Canyon and the Painted Desert and do the post-production at UA studios and back in Denham studios in England.

The effects in The Thief of Bagdad still stand up well to the best of what was being done by other film-makers at the time, and since then. See Ray Harryhausen talking about it on the Criterion DVD.

I've read a lot about the making of The Thief of Bagdad but I've never heard mention of this story about The Wizard of Oz before

Steve

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The effects in The Thief of Bagdad still stand up well to the best of what was being done by other film-makers at the time, and since then. See Ray Harryhausen talking about it on the Criterion DVD.

I can't agree with you. The Thief of Bagdad looks horribly dated compared to other effects-driven films of that time period, and that especially includes Harryhausen (though to be fair, his films were a good deal later.)

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Which other effects-driven films of the period are you thinking of? Is it just one or two, or a lot of them?

Steve

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The guy never got back to U so he is an obvious "know nothing".

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Which other effects-driven films of the period are you thinking of? Is it just one or two, or a lot of them?

Hi. King Kong, The Wizard of Oz, The Adventures of Robin Hood, and The Four Feathers. Now please list effects-driven films from that time period that The Thief of Bagdad is superior to.

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In what way are The Wizard of Oz, The Adventures of Robin Hood, and The Four Feathers "effects-driven"? There aren't many special effects in any of them. There's only really one effect in King Kong, the ape.

Steve

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I'm sorry, but I earnestly question the mental aptitude of a person oblivious to the effects work in The Wizard of Oz and King Kong. The latter is a stop-motion extravaganza, with every creature, not just "the ape" an example of technical wizardry.

The Adventures of Robin Hood and The Four Feathers, while devoid of much in the way of F/X, are redolent with fine stunt work.

It's up to you to give examples of effects-driven films from that time period that The Thief of Bagdad leaves in the dust.

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The tune featured in this movie sounded like "The Witch is Dead" from the Wizard of Oz.Other than that I first watched this movie when I was 12,in the fifties,and have seen it at least 5 times since then.I loved this movie and Sabu,who I seen and loved in many movies.

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I just saw this movie and I think that the special effects are marvellous, and in most cases still holds up today. Obviously some effects look dated but that is to be expected from a movie almost 75 years old.

The dated effects are in my opinion part of its nostalgic charm.



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I've also read and heard over the years that "Thief" had just started production when "Oz" opened in August of 1939. Supposedly, Korda, Berger, and Powell saw it and decided to scrap all they had up to that point fearing that their ideas could not compete with the technical advancements they'd just witnessed. Many believe that the effects achieved in "Thief" would not have been possible without "Oz," the product of a well financed studio system.


very interesting info!

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Some other similarities to The Wizard of Oz ---

1.) Abu disregarding his thirst for adventure, & deciding instead to stay with and guard Prince Ahmad when Ahmad decided that he wanted to see the Princess of Basra yet again --- ties of loyalty & friendship, echoing the bonds of friendship & loyalty between Dorothy & her 3 companions on the 'Road;

2.) Abu undergoing a special odyssey / quest in order to retrieve his friend, and achieve his goals --- echoing Dorothy's and her companions' odyssey / quest to find the Wizard, and their second task to rescue Dorothy & retrieve the Witch's broom.

3.) Abu being assisted by the Djinn (not always helpfully so) in his quests --- echoed by the "assistance" and "advice" given to Dorothy and her friends by the Wizard.

4.) Abu being recognized & celebrated by the "Guardians" for "believing that the impossible can happen" --- not a far stretch from L. Frank Baum's belief in the powers of the imagination;

5.) Abu personally receiving special gifts & rewards from the "Guardians" for his belief that the impossible can happen --- echoing the Wizard personally rewarding Dorothy's 3 companions for their brains, courage, and heart;

6.) Jaffar's ability to mesmerize his minions, and to see distant things "in his crystal" --- echoed by the Witch's ability to control her Guards, Flying Monkeys, and other minions, and her ability to see distant things in her "magic mirror."

7.) Most unusual of all --- Abu flying off to adventure at the end, going past a rainbow !

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