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This version was horrible beyond words


This version was horrible beyond words. Way to go Hollywood. I watched it yesterday and I don't know where to begin. (Contains spoilers)

* a black haired Jane and a Blond Lizzy?
*Jane was to emotional and even displayed characteristics of her mother’s eagerness to marry Bingley.
* Attempting to mimic a British accent. By the way it's Mr. Collins not Cullins
* Mr. Darcy was way to soft
* Dresses where appalling it was to much southern bell absolutely not what you’d expect when it is suppose to have an English setting.
*Charlotte was way to pretty.
* In one scene Lizzy actually runs after Darcy in an attempt not to let him go out of her life, which makes no sense since she should still have been angry at him.
*Lady Catherine telling Mr. Darcy that Elizabeth is a good match for him (wtf)


This version even made me like the one from 2005. It’s a nice attempt but I can totally understand why most British people said that it was to Americanized and therefore did not like it. No heritage film should be ruined like this.

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Although I agree that this adaptation was terrible and agree with you on many of your criticisms; I'd just like to point out that Aldous Huxley, an English writer, was responsible for the script, and the cast was largely British (only three of the actresses were American). And although those hoopskirts were were of course completely inaccurate to the Regency period, they were in fact just as popular in England as they were in the U.S. when they were around. The filmmakers knew the dresses weren't accurate, so they claimed they changed the time period of the film to the 1830s (although that doesn't explain why they then left the men's clothes largely in Regency--or the fact that the women's dresses were really more 1850s, and so would have been just as inaccurate in the 1830s).

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Since the book makes no mention of Jane's or Lizzy's hair color, I wonder at your complaint.

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Yeah... the hair colours aren't mistakes. Everything else in the film is. I know, it got some things right but, what's up with the archery thing? Pemberley, which is very important since it allows Lizzie to see that Darcy has a different side to him, is gone! I hated this version as well.

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I've never seen the Colin Firth version, but I actually prefer this one to the recent remake, mainly because it remembers it's supposed to be funny. Maybe too funny at times, some of the acting is a little cartoonish, but "Pride and Prejudice" is, after all, a comedy of manners. Plus Aldous Huxley's script, despite changes to the story, preserves a lot of the great dialogue from the novel. It's really all about the witty, literate language, unlike the latest version which is more about gorgeous scenery, and long, moody, silent scenes which are more appropriate to "Wuthering Heights." Also, other than Elizabeth, the Bennett sisters are barely characterized. The older version, corny as it sometimes is, does a good job in individualizing the sisters and explaining their relationships. I also prefer most of the performances in the older version. Caroline Bingley is the remake is a standard, boringly-acted bitch who might be at home on "The O.C." Frieda Inescort, however, is so comically snobby she doesn't seem to realize she's snobby. And Mr. Bingley in the remake is a complete twit, where I actually liked Bruce Lester in the old version and rooted for him to end up with Maureen O'Sullivan. I also prefer Edmund Gwenn and Mary Boland to Donald Sutherland and Brenda Blethyn, as much as I like the latter actors. Greer Garson is phenomenally gorgeous and much more subtle and witty than her later performances. Edna May Oliver and Melville Cooper are a little over the top, but still very funny. I don't think I laughed once at Judi Dench, who was just a nasty old bitch (can't believe I didn't like Judi Dench!) And finally, there is Laurence Olivier. I've been hearing for years how great Colin Firth was, but I can't imagine him matching the elegance, humor and emotion of one of Olivier's best performances._

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You should still see it. My grandmother, who had loved this version for years, threw out her tape when I made her watch the Colin Firth version. If you're totally stuck on Olivier, you might not like it, but Firth himself has acknowledged Olivier's greatness in interviews, and pays him a nice homage.

Olivier, to me, was the only good thing about this film.

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About the only thing I can agree with the original poster is that Charlotte is too pretty for the character but Karen Morley is such a fine actress she conveys the modest and timidness of someone who is not a beauty.

Besides the book not mentioning Lizzie's hair color, Greer Garson (Lizzie) is of course a redhead not a blonde.

And the character is "Mr. Collins" here, if anyone calls him "Mr. Cullins" it's just the way some pronounce the name, like some say Mon-roe and some say Mun-roe for Monroe.

I appreciated the poster who compliments all the many fine performances found in this 1940 version which is quite typical for posts pro this version, for all the devotees of the later editions I've never encountered a post anywhere on the net that goes down the line and praises most of the cast of them. Usually they are gaga over a D'Arcy or an Elizabeth and basically ignore the rest of the players.

Garson and Oliver ARE Lizzie and D'ARCY in my opinion and no later actresses came anywhere close to giving as fine a performance as Mary Boland and Edna May Oliver in their roles. Boland and Oliver were genius actresses who knew who to play eccentrics without making them abrasive, it's a skill many actresses don't have. As the earlier poster noted, even the superb Judi Dench could not pull off Oliver's role correctly.

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I wish the movie itself had been longer, but accept the changes made. This was done 66 years ago, so give some leaverage for alterations. It was typical for that era, and besides, the acting makes up for the changes made from the novel. Olivier in particular was fabulous and I've yet to find his equal in another Mr. Darcy.

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I rather like this version of Pride and Prejudice. I do think the costumes should have been historically accurate though

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I am surprised at all of the different opinions of P@P. I guess it's like the movie The Thomas Crown Affair. I loved the Steve McQueen version but I also found the Pierce Brosnan compelling. But the two movies were completely different in style. The Steve McQueen version can almost make me cry at the end but the Pierce Brosnan version was much more light hearted with not near the anguish and heart. So maybe this is the same with P @ P. Different versions different feelings.

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IT CAN'T BE 100% LIKE THE BOOK!!!!!!!!I loved this version and I loved Olivier.

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I wonder how many of the newer versions will be talked about and remembered 65 plus years after they were filmed. This movie is a classic and still remains the best and truest to Jane Austen's intentions of a comic romance not some Harlequin novel or oversized extravaganza.

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I love this movie. In fact, I just bought myself a copy so I can watch it whenever I want. I think Greer Garson is positively delightful, and I think Edna May Oliver is a fabulous Lady Catherine. But I do confess to not being a huge fan of Olivier.

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Interesting that ALL of your criticisms concern YOUR perceptions based on the NOVEL.

I tired of writing this, but why can't you people understand that a film based on a novel is not supposed to be a photographic reproduction of that novel. It is a different art form. Or is this concept too far over your heads.

This is a Hollywood film written and produced to show great stars, character actors, in an ENTERTAINING FILM. It is NOT supposed to fulfill YOUR needs as an appreciater of the novel. Hellooooo!!


By the way, Austen is insipid tripe.

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Well no S_hit Sherlock I know a book adaptation will never be the same as the Novel but they changed it so much that it had lost Austins wittiness.

Luckily not all adaptations wanted to show how GREAT the actors are or wanted make it ENTERTANING and treated the book for what it really is a to make a ‘herritagefilm’.

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As Klorentz points out, this was not 100% made by Hollywood. The writer was British, as were most of the actors.

Personally, I don't love Olivier here because he isn't Darcy. He's Olivier playing Darcy, which is a big difference to me.

I still love David Rintoul from P&P80.

But Greer Garson is up there on my list of favorite Elizabeths. It's not Edna May Oliver's fault that Huxley, et al changed her character -- but she did a fabulous job with what she was given.

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Just some film adaptations have their own twist and some are true to the novel, this version just has a little twist, mainly the costumes.

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Well I really liked it! Just watched it last night for the first time. As a version of Pride and Prejudice it totally sucks (for all the previously mentioned reasons) but as a movie it is wonderful! I love it! I don't mind the costumes, language etc being wrong, because I think they got a really good grasp of the characters, and the general spirit of the book. And you know, one must make exceptions when Laurence Olivier is involved...

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You sound just like one of those nerdy "Star Trek" fans, who, upon viewing some anomaly in the show, jumps up and down screaming at their TV set: "No! No! In episode 425, Ensign Smith said there were 493 surviors, no 439! What an outrage! I hope someone gets fired for THAT mistake!"

In other words you sound like a fool, with no ability to adjust your aesthetic parameters to a "MOVIE" loosely based on a play loosely based on a novel.

Grow up.

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What's wrong with making Jane dark haired and Lizzy blonde?

The book doesn't offer any specific descriptions of any character. We have no idea what colour hair the ladies are meant to have, and siblings often have different colouring in real life

There are also quite a few Brits in the cast too, so not everyone is trying to fake an 'English' accent.

He looks like what happens when you punch a cow!

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Lizzy is not blond anyway, Greer Garson is famous for being a natural redhead, who cares what color her hair is, what difference does it make?

This is my favorite version of P&P, I've seen a couple other versions and this is the best IMHO, and I would bet anybody if you took the percentage of dialog from the 1940 version and compared it to all other versions you'll find that this movie actually contains more of the book than all the other films (word for word).

The 1940 film made me a fan of P&P and Jane Austen, had I watched the 1995 or 2005 version first I highly doubt I'd be an Austen or P&P fan today, btw, the 2005 Keira Knightley version pretty much sucks.

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I saw 1940 first also, and I loved it. But 1980 is still my favorite. I even prefer 2005 to 1995 in a lot of ways.

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I'll have to watch the 1980 version, I see that its up on YouTube, I've heard a lot of good things about it, I do like the 95' version a lot, but the 05' version is wrong in so many ways.

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psssssssssst...

So is the 1995 version. There is a whole lot wrong with it. Don't let how beautiful it is to look at fool you.

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