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Greer Garson's too old Elizabeth Bennet


Never read the book and only watched the 2005 version with Keira
Knigthly, but if there is no doubt that I LOVER Laurence Olivier in his
part there is also no doubt in the fact that I rather prefer Keira
Knightly to Greer Garson. Come on, she was a better actress but for God
sake she was a 36years old woman playing the part of a 20!!!! She was
nice but seemed to be the mother of all the other Bennet girls. I know
that in the 40's she was one of the main actresses but I really don't
think she's been the best choice for the part... plus Laurence Olivier
looked quite younger than his lover, and in fact he really was!!!

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You don't get it, and you never will.

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What's to get? Greer Garson was simply too old to play Elizabeth Bennet. She appeared so old it was distracting.

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Perhaps you should try ready the book. Maybe then you will find that Elizabeth is motherly in ways as to prevent the younger girls from bringing disgrace to the whole family.

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I've read the book.

It's not about the book. Perhaps you should put the book down and watch the film. It constantly amazes me on the IMBD board how often people will criticize a FILM because it doesn't match their ideal of the BOOK.

This is not a book.

This is a MOVIE in the grandest sense of the Hollywood meaning.

It is NOT a re-creation of the novel.

It is NOT a FILM VERSION of the novel.

It is Pride and Prejudice by Hollywood, based on the novel. What does that mean? It means great STARS reading great dialogue and great character actors stealing the show. It does NOT mean that this is some kind of ersatz substitute for the novel. Please!

But like I said, you don't get this and you never will.

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And yet when a movie claims to have some connection to a book, there will always be an interest in that movie from readers of the book, and there will always be comparisons made because the movie is NOT simply made up of actors, there is a story behind it, and this story is professedly someone else's - in this case, Austen's. Abject failure to have anything to do with the book is a failure in the movie.

Additionally, some of these people have seen the movie and DISLIKE the MOVIE, even though they haven't read the book. Elizabeth professes to be twenty. The story is based partly on her age (she is nowhere near spinster age). The actress is distractingly old for the part.

Face it, some of these people have valid claims against the movie. And the movie, claiming a base on even a play based on the novel, has a duty to keep at least more or less to that base.

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Elizabeth NEVER professes to be twenty in the damn film. Please.

People who have not read the novel dislike the movie because in the novel she professes to be twenty. . . You need help.

No, people do NOT have valid claims against the movie IF those complaints are based on their vision of the Austen novel, and NOT THE VISION OF THE FILM MAKERS, ACTORS, WRITERS, ETC...

What is particularly irksome is that when one holds one version so high it can distract or distort your vision of another version of it. You cannot see the greatness of the film because you have before you, constantly, the novel.
I am familiar with this because I do it all the time myself... with music.

This is not only foolish, it is a shame.

It is the kind of thing that children do.

So let's all try to grow up in our aesthetic attitudes. Movies are movies. Novels are novels. And this movie was based not on the novel but an a play based on the novel. Jesus!

Or, better, why don't all you Austen "heads" take this argument where it belongs, to the Austen Society website. Here is a link:

http://www.jasna.org/


Good bye!!!!

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Regardless of what version of P&P this film is based on, if this were a love story involving a 35 year old woman in the 19th century, it would be a totally different story.

Greer Garson is a charming Elizabeth but calling people names because they recognize an age gap is just silly. It means they're paying attention.

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Your complaints of others childishness would be laughable if you weren't so arrogant while you're being childish.


Those who study history are doomed to watch others repeat it.

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The 1940's version of Pride and Prejudice: enjoyable and entertaining movie.

Greer Garson's Elizabeth: charming but too old.

aciolino: too damn arrogant and annoying.

Try a different tone, nerd.

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After your last comment, I couldn't hit the "ignore this user" button quickly enough. You've exclaimed, "Good bye!!!!" and I'm counting on you to be a person who follows thru. I just don't want to encounter your tiresome drivel elsewhere on the IMDB boards.

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<< What's to get? Greer Garson was simply too old to play Elizabeth Bennet. She appeared so old it was distracting. >>

Yes...far too old for this part.

She's a lovely woman, but as the writer Julie Burchill said, she's kind of "showy and starchy".

(It also doesn't help that she's apparently dressed as a tea cozy in this film.)
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Watching this now, and each time I find the casting more and more bizarre and ridiculous. I am aware of MGM policy of casting their "top" actresses in the best roles. But what a farce. She looks easily mid-thirties, with a largish well-developed figure, nothing like the slim young Lizzie in my mind from the book. And I never got the appeal of LO in the role of Darcy. He looks like a pompous fool throughout and makes it difficult for me to imagine why Lizzie would give him the time of day, except for his money.

I know that many disagree with me, and that is fine. I love "old Hollywood" but this one was, in my opinion, a total hash in casting the leads.

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Watching this now, and each time I find the casting more and more bizarre and ridiculous. I am aware of MGM policy of casting their "top" actresses in the best roles. But what a farce. She looks easily mid-thirties, with a largish well-developed figure, nothing like the slim young Lizzie in my mind from the book. And I never got the appeal of LO in the role of Darcy. He looks like a pompous fool throughout and makes it difficult for me to imagine why Lizzie would give him the time of day, except for his money.

I know that many disagree with me, and that is fine. I love "old Hollywood" but this one was, in my opinion, a total hash in casting the leads.

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I agree that greer garson was not right for elziabeth, but i think laurence Olivier was an excellent mr darcy. After all, darcy is pretty pompous throughout much of the book.

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I agree that Greer Garson was too old to play Lizzy who (being 33, 32 when they started filming), but I won't let that fact ruin the movie for me...

Also, I can't see the
"plus Laurence Olivier
looked quite younger than his lover, and in fact he really was!!!"
part, as Greer was born in 1904, and Laurence in 1907... 3 years is nothing

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I agree that Greer Garson was too old to play Lizzy who (being 33, 32 when they started filming), but I won't let that fact ruin the movie for me...

Agreed. She is a fabulous Elizabeth. She, IMO, really gets the character.

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I would imagine 1939.

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Old arguement, and always one pursued by fans of later versions. Greer Garson gives an extraordinary performance as Elizabeth, some of the later actresses simply don't come across as having the intellect to be credible Lizzies. And they often play her a little too bitchy. Lizzie is a sharp wit but she is always a lady and never truly malicious.

Greer is perfection in the part. Funny nobody crabbed she was too old for the role for some 50 years. People now know her true age (she was publicized at the time as being born in 1908 or 1914 instead of 1904) so that hold that against her. I doubt very much you would find a film review published in 1940 saying she seemed too old for the part.

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I think Greer Garson is just fantastic as Elizabeth Bennett.
It never crossed my mind that she was too old for the part, she is one of the best reasons for watching it.

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I completely agree. I've never read the book, but at no time did I ever think Ms. Garson was too old. I was too busy loving her in the role. This film is sublime, and each actor was perfect in their performance, especially Ms. Garson and Mr. Olivier.

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I also love Edmund Gwenn and Marsha Hunt as Mr Bennett and Mary Bennett, she is fantastic as the dopey Mary. I believe she is the only one of the cast still alive

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Ann Rutherford (Lydia) is still alive.

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Yes, you are right. Thanks

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Garson at 36 was the most stunning one in the film.



"So what else is on your mind besides 100 proof women, 90 proof whiskey, and 14 karat gold?"

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I couldn't believe myself when I saw that Greer Garson was 36 when the film was released. I the film she looks at least ten years younger. She looks just stunning, and by my opinion she is THE Elizabeth Bennet. I've watched this film for the first time some ten years ago, before I read the book. Actually, I took the book immediately after watching the film, because I just was so thrilled by it. And, reading this book a few times from then on, I always imagine E.B. as G.G. Though I watched several other versions, and particularly liked this mini series with Jennifer Ehle. On the other hand, Keira Knightley would be the last actress I would choose for this role. I don't want even to give it a chance to watch this last version.

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Think of it all this way...

It must be how moguls/film makers/directors in that era try to test actresses in their acting prowess. Portraying every bit of character that is given to them. If they were asked to play a three year old (Of course, this is an example) and their age is 19, then they're obliged to do so. It's what makes good actors and actresses noticeable! It's what I call Versatility...

The best example for this is Bette Davis' character in Elizabeth and Essex. She's 30 years old when she filmed it and she's portraying a 60 year old queen. I suppose it can also be done the other way around, as long as you look like it!

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yes i agree another example is june allyson in little women in 32 acts as 15 years old jo and she was perfect

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The key to enjoying any film depiction of a work of literature is to accept the limitations of the filmmaker and hope they at least get the flavor of the piece correct. The 1940 version of PRIDE AND PREJUDICE is a good film taken on its own merits. As an accurate depiction of Austen's work, it leaves a lot to be desired.

Decisions surrounding a film are often driven by finances and may include using an actor because of their box office draw rather than their suitability for a part. Greer Garson was a little long of tooth for Elizabeth Bennet but she was a very popular actress at this point and gave a very good performance. Although Adrian designed the costumes and apparently asked that the timeframe of the story be changed so he could design more elaborate costumes, I suspect that some extras were wearing recycled costumes from GONE WITH THE WIND or another previous costume melodrama. Characters are often deleted or combined to tighten up a story to run in a normal length film. This must explain why Mr. Collins is no longer a clergyman, unfotunately eliminating a very funny story line. I still don't know why the filmmakers decided to make Lady Catherine DeBourgh a "good guy" at the end.

The 1995 BBC version of PRIDE AND PREJUDICE remains in my mind the definitive version. The format allows for development of character and storyline and the casting is marvelous.

The 1940 version is lovely film which vaguely reminds me of a book by Jane Austen.

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Would someone kindly point out to me exactly which P&P costumes were "recycled" from GONE WITH THE WIND. This appears to be an urban legend created by fans of the 1994 P&P. They are apparently unaware that GWTW may have been released by MGM but it was filmed by David O. Selznick at his own studio not at MGM . So those costumes would have been owned by Selznick Studios and I cannot imagine MGM, by far the largest studio of the era buying another studio's used costumes, indeed it appears very rare that they recycled wardrobes they already owned.

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I can understand that, but I just blamed the extravagant clothes on viewers preferences at the time. I thought that maybe the costumes were brought in to capitalize on the public's interest in that style- Gone With The Wind, etc. Figured that the studio wanted to cash in.

Greer seems old to us, but I think that we are used to an extremely different movie world. The movie's we see today are researched, made historically accurate, shot on location or close to recreating it, etc. We demand more than just being entertained.

I didn't know she was in her 30's. She did well as Lizzie, loved how she was sassy and yet maintained civility. It's not like Greer was suffering from osteoporosis. . .



...and she has never been the same again.

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If you like the 95 P&P, you need to see the 80 P&P w/Elizabeth Garvie & David Rintoul. It was like having someone read my mind & out it on film.

Those who study history are doomed to watch others repeat it.

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I agree that the film should be regarded as a totally different entity, so I won't complain about its diversions from the book. Like a lot of other posters have said, it's a movie that's BASED ON the book, not word-for-word performance.

However, that being said, Greer Garson's age compared to the other women (mainly Elizabeth's sisters) was distracting. In fact, I found it so distracting that I believe it took away from the film.

On another note, the imdb trivia section says that Vivien Leigh was almost cast as Elizabeth. I haven't any clue as to whether or not she would have been a better actress for the part, but she certainly was substantially younger than Garson. It makes one wonder why the director chose to go with a more mature actress, one who was a bit "long in the tooth" as another poster said.

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Yes, Greer Garson is too old for the part, and yes her age does detract from the film as a work of art.

A 20 year old woman has a totally different vibe than a 36 year old woman.

Garson can't convey the vulnerability, the freshness, the coltishness, of a 20 something woman, and there is no reason why she should.

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Greer is obviously not 20 years old on P&P, but it doesn't matter, she's the right age compared to Olivier and the other Bennett sisters, so it didn't detract, in this version they never said she was 20 years old, this version is not the book, it doesn't matter. Greer Garson nailed Elizabeth Bennett and better than anyone else has ever done.

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Amazing how stupid these old, veteran, film producers were. Greer Garson as Elizabeth Bennett! How ridiculous. So what, she was the biggest star on the earth? So what her name meant $$$$$$$$ at the box office! So what, the audience couldn't get enough of her, and so what that she is utterly delightful in the part!

Who cares?

She's too old!

Better to have gotten a much younger actor who was perfect (in your eyes) whom no one knew, who couldn't act, or had no box office appeal. Yeah, that makes sense.


You Austen-heads need to get a life.

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everybody was too old in this production!!!!

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I agree that Garson was too old for the role but I don't agree that she was too old to be matched with Oliver. In real life, she was only 3 years older than him.

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Apparently some individuals are unable to compose, thoughtful, insightful, eloquent and above all interesting comments. Their boring comments won't get responses. These individuals unfortunately resort to starting inflammatory posts they know will get folks arguing and talking. I doubt the original poster even feels Greer Garson is too old. My mom loves these classic films and I first saw this version of Pride and Prejudice as a child. It never occurred to me Greer Garson was any older than the other actresses portraying her sisters. She is fabulous as Elizabeth and in my opinion, Keira Knightly's version of this character does not compare.

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Greer Garson is what made this film the great film it is. I don't recall the film ever representing her to be in her early twenties. She convincingly played a woman in her late twenties, and Maureen O'Sullivan was 29 in 1940. Ms. O'Sullivan was quite a beauty, but I don't think a comparision of her to Garson was to Garson's significant detriment. And as others have noted there was only a three year age difference with Olivier.

Next!

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It doesn't matter what the film did or didn't say in relation to her age.

The fact of the matter is, in the nineteenth century, women over twenty-five were considered to be on the shelf, spinsters. They no longer had a "season" of dancing and social events to find a husband. They were considered too old to even try.

It doesn't even matter how old the book character of Elizabeth Bennet is. What matters is that it is utterly ridiculous to have a virginal, unmarried woman in her mid-thirties in the 1800s still out husband hunting!

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What difference does that make? This version was made as a screwball comedy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screwball_comedy_film

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Random,

Yes, I really don't understand what Annabelle's concern is. The movie works great as it is. It is not supposed to be some acccurate portrayal of the historical context in which it was set.

Greer Garson is what makes this movie so great. It is ridiculous to complain about her real age when she did it.

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Women did sometimes get married in their 30s, or even older. I don't think Greer Garson looks very old, but she is supposed to be younger than Jane, and doesn't really look it. And she is rather too stately for Elizabeth.

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I think rather a few actresses were a bit too old for their characters.

Its that man again!!

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