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I wanted Tracy to go with Mike..


You'll all probably hate me for saying this, but, really, Mike treated her better and they were just so adorable together!
Plus, Jimmy Stewart is much sexier than Carey Grant..

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No way... Cary Grant is the best! And this was THEIR story...

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In addition to the fact that Dexter and Tracy are 'meant to be', it's also very important for Tracy not go with Mike - because of Liz. It's a turning point in Tracy's personal awakening when she says, "I don't think Liz would like it."

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Tracy and Mike did have wonderful chemistry in their scenes together though, especially the ones when they were drinking champagne :)

"Have you ever fired your gun in the air and gone 'AHHHH!'?" -Hot Fuzz

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I really hate that, though. Mike is sort of a jerk to Liz through the entire movie, and he takes her at the end as a second choice. That's no basis for a relationship. I'd like to see Liz with the non-rat man she's hoping for during the whole movie, not to say that Mike is a rat, but he won't respect and appreciate her, which is what Liz is really looking for after so many unhappy relationships in her past.

And Carey Grant is obnoxious.

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Liz knows that Mike is sort of oblivious and says herself that she is waiting for him to grow up a little. Mike doesn't appreciate what he has, but I think he will. Tracy matures into understanding that she should be kinder to people's faults and that just because she is attracted to Mike that that doesn't give her the right to toy with him while he is meant for another girl. And Mike matures (or will mature) into realizing that Liz is the one for him. She's not his second choice, he was simply a little bedazzled by Tracy. He went from being ultimately intellectual and unromantic to being drunk with love (and champagne). In the end he finds the balance and can apply a little romance into his 'practical' relationship with Liz, who has taken care of the aspiring writer that he is.

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Couldn't agree with you more Stacey. The ending left me a little dumb founded. I certainly think that Mike and Tracy belonged together. He was the one who made her realize with all those romantic passionate lines that she was a woman as a woman should be and not a woman made of 'Bronze'.
Personally speaking not one of my favorite Jimmy Stewart movies, although he did get an OSCAR for this which even Jimmy thought was a deferred payment for his work in Mr. Smith Goes TO Washington.

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He treated Liz like he would treat a guy. Why do women take this mutual respect as being a "jerk"? To put it a little nicer for you sensitive ladies out there, Mike treated Liz as his equal. He didn't put her up on a pedestal like he put Tracy. Dexter treated Tracy as his equal. That's why they were perfect for each other.

Get off your soapbox while I play you a tune on the tiniest violin.

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While Tracy and Mike were cute together, I do agree that Dexter and Tracy were just meant to be.

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Our favorite part in the movie is the strained look on Cary Grant's and Ruth Hussey's face when Jimmy Stewart says he'll step in to marry Hepburn. It is perfect acting and editing! And then she turns Grant, and you know they've finally grown up enough to be happy together.

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domhowe ~ And then she turns Grant, and you know they've finally grown up enough to be happy together.

You said it! I agree completely!!

I just love that spark of a moment, when Dexter is feeding Tracy lines to help with the announcement she is giving to the wedding guests, and he slips in that they would go through with the original wedding plans from two (or is it three???) years ago, since the guests had been gypped by their running away to elope. Her reaction, when she realizes what he has said, is so beautiful! She wants to finish the announcement, but she also wants to just wrap hersef up in Dexter. It's a beautiful moment! It gets me every time! It's that one little moment, right there, where the whole thing pivots. I just love it!!

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I somewhat agree haha. I kind of always wished they ended up together. But somehow it just works out.

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haha I think everyone wanted Tracy to be with Mike
I mean their little conversations were so hilarious
and they had tons of chemistry

but the movie would've lost its purpose if she didn't end up with
dexter

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I totally agree with you...i was so delunsing at the end...they are phenomenal together,why we couldn't see them together again? In this movie Stewart is more handsome and brilliant than Grant,if there wasn't a screenplay,everyone would have chosen Stewart.

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i was disapointed too,

Mike was the guy!

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you and everyone else!

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First of all, no one is sexier than Cary Grant, especially not Jimmy Stewart. Secondly, Mike was all wrong for her. They might've had some laughs while they were drunk, but in the end Mike had fallen for the "queen" that he saw Tracy to be, not the real woman that she was. Dexter was the only one who really knew her and loved her for herself. She even said to Kittredge that she didn't want to be worshipped, she wanted to be loved. She needed Dexter- someone who would love her enough to treat her as an equal.

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But Dexter was the first one to call her out for her goddess/bronze statue thing. Mike was literally the only person who didn't dress her down for that, and the only person to not just tell her that she was flesh and blood, but to be silly with her and treat her like flesh and blood. He never lets her sit on a pedestal and constantly tears down her privilege. He considers her 'a queen' because she's so interesting and enthralling, an intellectual equal with the fire not to let his opinions go unchallenged. Coming from him, he's just saying she's a special person; he's not trying to play Dexter's high priest, and he obviously doesn't see her as an object to be worshipped.

I guess to me actions speak louder than words, and Mike was the only man she had any fun with, who I felt interacted with her like an equal instead of just talking about it. She and Dexter had a well-established history, but throughout the film it remained history. I never saw a moment where the spark rekindled between them, and I was waiting for it because I assumed they would get back together when I started watching. The film threw me through a loop with the Mike/Tracy storyline, and after their big kissing scene, it seemed confirmed that they would be the final pairing. The actual ending comes out of nowhere and feels very wrong.

'It's that kind of idiocy that I empathize with.' ~David Bowie

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I totally agree with you!! I never saw a moment in the movie where Tracy and Dexter's interactions warranted them getting married again!

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Yes, Mike and Tracy were meant to be! Grant and Hepburn had no chemistry, Stewart and Hepburn looked like lovers. Also Dexter was just mean to Tracy, Mike was nice to her. The ending was just an unnecessary twist, Dexter could have ended up with Liz and then everyone would've been happy.

I gave the movie one star less because of the bad ending.

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Dexter ending up with Liz? Sorry, but that's not a very good idea. They have little interaction, and pretty much no chemistry. There were definitely a few romantic sparks between Mike and Tracy, but not true love. Need I remind you they were drunk the whole time they were together. It was a hilarious scene, but you know if they got married at the end, it wouldn't have worked out. Dexter knew her a lot better, and he knew her a lot longer than Mike did. Mike knew her for only a brief time, and he considered her to be a Goddess rather than a human being. If you give the movie another watch, you might realize that Tracy really does belong to Dexter. He was not mean to her, he was just stating the truth. Not a lot of people realize this, but he also helped her mature throughout the film. When he said that the most important thing to Tracy was herself, it sounds harsh, but it was somewhat true. Dexter loved her the entire time, and she loved him too, she just needed to realize it. Oh and about Grant and Hepburn having no chemistry, have you even seen Bringing Up Baby? They are wonderful together.

Anyways, to end this extremely long post, I just wanted to state my opinion.

"Got it memorized?"
~Axel, Kingdom Hearts II

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"They have little interaction, and pretty much no chemistry." That could have been changed with a rewrite.

Bringing Up Baby doesn't matter, it's a different movie.

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How many times have you watched this movie anyways?

"Got it memorized?"
~Axel, Kingdom Hearts II

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Once, it wasn't good enough to deserve a second viewing (the movie has to be a 10, in some cases a 9).

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Once? I think if you watched it again, you'd realize that Tracy and Mike were not meant to be. If you read my other thread, "Ending Complaints", iheartbeatles8910 made an excellent point about the film. Here's a link:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0032904/board/thread/120721939?d=120905230&p=1#120905230

The film is perfect the way it is. A rewrite would have ruined everything.

"Got it memorized?"
~Axel, Kingdom Hearts II

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Maybe nobody was meant to be? If not Tracy and Mike, then certainly not Tracy and Dexter. They were already married once and it didn't work out, and I don't believe people can make significant changes in their personality just because they hear a few magic words.

Have you seen Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind?

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Yes I have. But there is no use comparing the two. They are nothing alike.

I think we should just leave it at this. You have your opinion, and I have mine.

"Got it memorized?"
~Axel, Kingdom Hearts II

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I think the ending is perfect. If Tracy ended up with Mike, it would have been a little sappy considering that they only met recently. Dexter was always in step with Tracy's quips and intiated the situation of questioning her marriage, so Tracy could have seen this as a sign of love and commitment. Who knows. The story started off about a woman marrying the wrong man, so maybe it could be interpreted as ending that way as well.

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I feel like the ending to this movie is quite possibly the most depressing ending to any movie I've ever seen. WHY did she choose Dexter? By the time everyone confronts one another the morning after the party, all signs point to Mike and Tracy getting together. And why is everyone saying that Mike just viewed her as a goddess? Sure, he said that, but he elaborated and basically was the only man in the whole movie that told her she was a human being made of flesh and blood- that whole speech he gives about being 'lit from within' is infamous because it's so moving. And didn't even Dina say that the only man Tracy should marry is Mike? I was completely expecting it to go that way and then OUT OF NOWHERE she gets back with Dex?! I was pissed. And sad.

And another thing- since when does anybody have ownership over anybody? If Liz can't take Mike the way he is, she can't lay claim over him until he "grows up". That's bullcrap. And he didn't even love her- all I gathered from that was friendship and I only saw affection from her side. With a few rewrites or meaningful camera shots, it could've been Dexter and Liz in the end...I completely agree with that.

I've got to end this because I could go ranting for days. The fact that she chose Dexter over Mike in the end- the same Dexter whom she's already had a failed marriage with and who says she has no mind for other people and "socks her"...it's ridiculous.

And I'm done. :]

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First of all, we're talking about the height of the Production Code era. There is no such thing as an "ex-marriage". Short of murder, or finding out that one party of the marriage had already been married (thereby invalidating the original "marriage" in question; a device that was used in a remarkable number movies considering how rare it is in real life), the couple that had been married originally *always* ends up back together at the end of movies of this period (assuming that both characters survive to the end of the movie).

Secondly, Tracy getting back together with Dex was not "out of nowhere". Dex had clearly been angling in that direction all along. That's why, when Mike proposes to Tracy, we see the same reaction shot of Dex that we do of Liz. It makes perfect sense because we already know that Dex intends to marry Tracy just as surely as we know that Liz intends to marry Mike.

Thirdly, Liz did not claim ownership of Mike. She feels that it is best for Mike for him to be on his own for a bit longer. She does not contradict Dex when he points out that this is "risky" course to take. She knows that, but she loves Mike enough to do what she honestly thinks is best for him in the long term even if that may end up meaning that he leaves her.

Fourthly, Mike does love Liz. We get so used to always seeing the first blush of new love in movies that sometimes we have trouble spotting the other forms within the context of a movie. Mike and Liz have been together long enough that they behave a bit more like an old married couple. They're no longer mooning over the sight of each other, Mike sometimes takes Liz a bit for granted, but they're very much attached. Liz is the only person in the entire movie with whom Mike *ever* really lets his guard down and is just completely himself. She *is* who he belongs with.

Fifth, Dex and Tracy's marriage was not one where he "socks her", as you phrase it with the form of the verb implying that it was a regular recurring pattern. We hear Dinah ask if it was true that he had socked her (singular). *We* (the audience) *SAW* the one incident that was being referred to. In the first place, it was a push, not a punch (the common interpretation of "sock"); the legend had either grown in the retelling or been exagerated in Dinah's mind because she was never given complete information. In the second place, it much *less* mean spririted than Tracy's provocation that lead to it. I know that Dex hadn't been abusing Tracy during their marriage the same way I know that Ralph Kramden never actually hit Alice (dispite all of his blustering threats): everything about their demeanor and behavior contradicts that having been the dynamic between them.

Lastly, Dex had told Tracy that she had had no mind for other people because it had been true. Tracy was the one who had married an ideal in her mind; and not a real, live, fallible person. The whole point and story line of the movie was Tracy's evolution away from being someone who always expected the world to be perfectly black and white into one who was more in tune with the idea people are not perfect and should be forgiven for that fact. (Although I agree with some others who have commented that the way this theme was tied to the philandering father was quite unsavory, and wholly inappropriate from a present day point of view. That's the one note of this movie that I don't think has stood up well with the passage of time.) It is a perfect bit of symmetry for the movie to have the new, improved (more accepting) Tracy now commit to a marriage to Dexter where she couldn't at the start. That is where her entire character arc was leading. And they did both adore each other. (Yes, it does go both ways right from the start of the movie. Otherwise, Tracy wouldn't react the way she does when Dex mentions the idea of naming his next boat the True Love II ...... which, by the way, is another reason why her picking Dexter is not "out of nowhere".)


Of course, that's all just my take on this movie.

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I did like Tracy and Dexter (I mean, you can't go wrong with Cary Grant) but I agree with you about Liz. I hate that she had anything to do with Tracy rejecting the proposal because you can't just reserve a future boyfriend. She didn't want Mike until he had grown up (and I guess he had by the end of the movie?) so she can't just call dibs and expect he will be waiting around single and she saw him first so he can't be with anyone else. It doesn't matter how obvious HER feelings are because she knew he didn't know and was not interested in filling him in. He gets a say, too, and he clearly would have taken marrying a woman he barely knew over Liz.

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