Chaplin's worst?


Love Chaplin, really love him. But The Great Dictator is by far his worst feature. Chaplin is best when he does poignant,comedic, human films. Falls apart when he gets political.

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...Do you have ANY idea how much political matter was in his best works???

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No no, I agree with Alex here.

I found Modern Times to be his best work, and it DID have a message to it. How we're drifting apart with technology, something that rings true.

City Lights is one of the reasons why silent films are made, this one and Modern Times needs to be seriously studied by today's film makers if Romantic Comedies ever want to be taken seriously ever again.

The Kid- Is one of the most touching works out there. You will feel it. It's got more packed up in its 60 minutes than most 120 minutes of film today.



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I just watched The Great Dictator for the first time, in fact, it's the first time I've watched a Chaplin film. I enjoyed it but felt I wasn't getting the full Chaplin experience. I'd like to see, if such a thing exists, a more typical Chaplin film.

Which Chaplin films do you recommend?

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I love it when I answer a question before it gets asked :)

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Sorry, I should have made my question more specific.

Which Chaplin films would you recommend to someone who has only seen The Great Dictator and wishes to see a more 'typical' Chaplin film?

The same ones you mention in your previous post?

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I would recommend buying The Chaplin Revue. It has a few of his films along with some shorts. The Pilgrim (one of the films in it) is especially worth noting for a scene where Chaplin retells the story of David and Goliath.

http://www.amazon.com/Chaplin-Revue-Disc-Special/dp/B00017LVLE

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Chaplin_Revue

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"Magic?"
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Thanks for the info!

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Yup, those ones are good ones. I guess they'd be considered "typical" Chaplins considering it contains the immortal "Tramp" character that most people see when they imagine him.

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There's a few great box set DVDs out there that aren't very expensive. The one below is one of the most exhaustive collections of his work.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0009B0YFQ?ie=UTF8&tag=top10fil mcouk-21&linkCode=as2&camp=1634&creative=6738&creative ASIN=B0009B0YFQ

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Your essential watchlist (I'll warn, the early ones can be a chore now and then):

-Kid Auto Races In Venice (1914)
-The Tramp (1915)
-The Vagabond (1916)
-One A.M. (1916)
-The Pawnshop (1916)
-The Rink (1916)
-Easy Street (1917)
-The Cure (1917)
-The Immigrant (1917)
-The Adventurer (1917)
-A Dog's Life (1918)
-The Kid (1921)
-The Idle Class (1921)
-Pay Day (1922)
-The Pilgrim (1923)
-The Gold Rush (1925)
-The Circus (1928)
-City Lights (1931)
-Modern Times (1936)
-The Great Dictator (1940) (Means a lot more after seeing his other work)


~NW~

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SaulGoodman - I would recommend "Modern Times" but that is just me, I really am partial to Paulette Goddard. The feature itself is great as well. But there other equally great works by Chaplin.

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Obviously not.

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speaking of worst is all wrong anyway.
agree that modern times might be the best chaplin made but why narrow him down to one character?
the great dictator is an amazing film, really funny and sharp and with some scenes that go straight into my favorites. the end just knocks you off your cynical horse. touchdown.
also, although i'm not a particular fan of political art/film, there's nothing i can think of by chaplin without politics.

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I definitely wouldn't call it his "worst" if we're taking into account all of the films he made, but I do feel it has some flaws that prevent it from being one of his perfect masterpieces. Among the talkies alone, I do feel that "Monsieur Verdoux" is his all-round most successful at accomplishing what he set out to do with the film (I'd also say that it's a more audacious and savagely subversive film than even "Dictator"). I personally enjoy "Limelight" even more than "Dictator", but am willing to grant that this is a minority viewpoint on those two films.

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Are you serious? A King In New York Was Terrible! This is one of his top 5 best films!

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This is the film that makes me love Chaplin.

The way he combines his previous silent work into a film with such strong motifs makes it even stronger (at least for me).

In fact, it's in my top 10 films of all time.

It just strikes too many chords with the history of the US.

For someone to regard it as bad is beyond comprehension for me ...

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I agree with the Marky...

This is one of my favorites films of all time, certainly my favorite from this particular time period and most definitely my favorite Chaplin talkie. The fact that this film predicted WWII is unbelievably prescient.

To the original poster:

If you think this film is Chaplin's worst, you probably love most of the IMDB bottom 100 and consider the films of Uwe Boll to be cinematic masterpieces.

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"Love Chaplin, really love him. But The Great Dictator is by far his worst feature. Chaplin is best when he does poignant,comedic, human films. Falls apart when he gets political"

Go watch some Star Wars bubblegum movies....

This is one of the greatest movies ever made.

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Saying it's the worst Chaplin movie is like saying that this is the worst cut Diamond. They're great in my opinion, and this is my favorite.

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Well, "predict" isn't the right word as Europe was already at war and the movie does not really show anything which was not happening at that time. In fact I doubt Chaplin would have been able to create this film had he known what already was happening unknown to most people (or known and simply not believed). It reflects the hope that something worse could be avoided and a humanistic spirit which I doubt Chaplin would have able to come up with, had the project started five years later.

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Talking about "worst Chaplin" is like saying "terrible lottery win" or "horrible sex" (at least for a man). I mean, come on, if you are going to speak in superlatives at least do a little compare and contrast.

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I actual think this is chaplin best movie and is one my favorite movies.

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I would love to know what you found to be more poignant in his canon as compared to his ending speech and the context in which he spoke it. His appeal to the finer qualities in man is often a musing of the idealist, though Chaplin within the context of the film delivers something in such contrast with the expectant surface of the caricature he played. I think what is most poignant of all is that Charles said what he did in such a time which reflected the promises of a democracy in the face of a world-wide struggle against the machinery of military rule and then men who used others as cogs in their machinery of conquest and lack of empathy. To me, it is poignant precisely for the moment in which it was said and, to illustrate the word, remains a defense of human decency and what man in his kindest nature is also capable of, with reason, with tolerance, with the ability to shrug off and accept the manner of belief, speech, caste, and accept the ghost inside the shell, so to speak, and one man by his works for all least of all for himself, his actions, not his prologue, mattering infinitely more than the ethnicity or position relegated to us all upon our birth. What we were at birth is no indication as to the nobility of our actions and kinder gestures of our hearts. The title, I feel, is not by intention irony, yet the salutation given to the personality which speaks at the end. Above all, it is a plea to our decency and empathy. To further add to its sincerity, although in character, even if political, was using his costume as a proxy to express something he really believed, something he really wanted to say--if not to change men, rather exhibit the possibility of such a change.

Just my opinion.

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Looking at a film from all perspectives and being able to appreciate the totality of the artistic expression is to be a snob? A good movie produces conversation, as did art in the Renaissance and film is the modern instrument of art and few people these days I think begin to lose the understanding that cinema should be art, treating as such, and looked at as such.

Can you stop talking like an indignant intellectual who just refuse to let people do what they wish.

Can you all stop talking about art? Culture is for snobs, yeah? Then call me a snob.

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I just saw The Great Dictator. Hadn't seen any Chaplin except for shorts, but watched this, Modern Times, and The Circus over the past 3 days. Of those three, thought this was the worst, although there were quite a few great scenes. It wasn't bad by any means, but I think part of the problem is that we've been inundated with holocaust movies since 1940, so the Jewish storyline is fairly routine at this point. But the comedy is spot on at times, and I personally loved the end speech. I have a feeling this would have carried a lot more weight with me if I'd been alive in 1940, but even knowing that it came out then is kind of amazing in itself.

Long story short, I get where the OP is coming from. Don't seen any reason to deride him. So far, I think the silents are much better if only for the fact that they have a sole endearing protagonist to get behind. Here, half the film is spent mocking Hitler (and that's funny for sure), but you can't be emotionally invested in those scenes because... it's Hitler. And the other half is a holocaust story that a modern audience has seen a thousand times since. So I don't think it holds up as well, but there are still great moments.

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>>> Canon? Just write 'movies'

I do agree that using the word 'canon' in reference to Charlie Chaplin movies is just a tad pretentious.

People, tone it down a bit and use 'ouevre', 'kay?


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brandonknobles, would you mind editing your post (Thu May 13 2010 02:44:56) with paragraphing? It is difficult to read through it and give it the full attention it deserves. It's hard to determine where one thought ends and another begins. Other than these quibbles, though: great post!


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altrough this is only the 5th Chaplin movie i seen (plan on watching more in future) this is probably the best of what ive seen. so i dont agree with you at all.

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Well, if this brilliant masterpiece is Chaplin's worst I can't wait to see his best.

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It didn't appeal to me either. But the worse for me is LIMELIGHT. I haven't seen his last film, the one with Loren and Brando. Guess we're in a minority here as both films have high rankings among the fans!!!!

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I think this is his best film.

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To say that THE GREAT DICTATOR is a bad film is a huge mistake, in my opinion (that said, everyone is entitled to their own, of course...). For one thing, it`s among the bravest films to have been made at the time. True, Hitler had little chance of getting hold on Chaplin when he set out to make out the film in -38, but nobody knew then how the war would turn out (in fact, WWII had not officially started yet). Chaplin was severely critized by the larger part of Hollywood for making the film, and is even reported to have received written death threats during its production. How can one possibly think that the business with the globe, or Chaplin`s imitation of Hitler speaking, isn`t brilliant stuff?

I do agree, though, and I say this as probably one of the most devoted Chaplin-fans in the world, that the film as an entirety is decidedly weaker than MODERN TIMES, or CITY LIGHTS and THE GOLD RUSH. This should hardly be surprising; it was Chaplin`s first talkie, and as such it was based on a carefully prepared script, which in itself made it differ radically from his silent days, when his films were constructed through much more spontainiety. Although Chaplin is brilliant as Hitler (or "Hynkel"...), and I really like Jack Oakie as well, some of the acting hasn`t aged that well (I like Paulette Goddard much better in MODERN TIMES), and some of the dialogue feels a bit stilted. As a result, it feels more old-fashioned than films Chaplin made 15 years earlier. But, this being said, I still regard it as a brilliant film, both for the comedy and the fact that it was made even before the US entered the war.

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