Why this is a great movie


There are many reasons but a few stick out in my mind, all relating to the character and his presentation.

1. Lincoln is no goody two shoes, nor is he is an innocent naif. He comes off as homespun, genuine, unpretentious, modest, and idealistic. All those qualities are there. But he's also sharp, clever, canny, and unafraid to cheat or manipulate a little bit to achieve the higher good. Morally, he's a bit ambiguous and he's certainly no Capra hero (at least not a pre-George Bailey Capra hero) - unlike Mr. Smith, he always knows what he's up against and would rather play the game than stand on noble principle but be defeated. This is not to say he has no feelings, or that everything he does is calculated. At the same time, he's self-conscious, fully aware of life and death and knows that good does not automatically triumph in the world. He's a politician in the best sense of the word (and that sense is used rarely).

2. The movie's genius lies in its ability to present Lincoln the historical, mythical hero out of his usual context. It allows us to take everything we could take from a more traditional historical portrait, but without the obviousness of a Civil War story; furthermore, the power of that tramautic historical era remains all the more potent for sitting offscreen, hinted at by the brewing storm at the end, the occasional bit of music (the hymn in the beginning, The Battle Hymn of the Republic at the end, the snatches of Dixie throughout), and by occasional references to mankind's darker side (the lynch mob, the violence, etc). There's never a moment where we aren't aware of Lincoln's historical future, but yet the hints never seem too obvious; they're always at home in the film's context of 1837.

3. The subtle way in which Lincoln's character is established, that of an outsider who is crafty enough to use that outsider status to appeal to everyone. He's neither fully at home in the world of the poor (he can talk to them, but ultimately he's a well-dressed lawyer with prospects) nor the rich (he comes from a common background and is a bit too mystical and idealistic for their tastes) - yet he knows how to engage with both worlds and use them for his benefit. Once again, we see a Lincoln who is not entirely wholesome, nor a pompous fool. He knows how to play the game, but he has principles and he uses the game to achieve those principles.

Ford's direction is of course fantastic, as is the cinematography, the writing, and all the other elements. I think perhaps my favorite thing in the movie is Fonda's performance. Without it, the film wouldn't work for a second. But he achieves the ambiguity of Lincoln's nature, his ambivalence about acheiving prestige, and his good humor in the face of melancholy, always allowing us to see what Lincoln thinks and feels without ever completely letting us inside: a masterful performance, straddling the line between obviousness and obscurity, without ever coming down on either side, achieving a subtle and sure sense of character which embues the whole picture with life and gravity.

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I wholeheartedly agree. BTW May I suggest you repost this as a review. It is an excellent commentary.

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Glad to see people appreciated this post. Nearly 10 years after the fact I am reposting it as a review, in a round-up of my old IMDb commentary on my blog: http://tinyurl.com/jubc3oz. Should be up on Monday unless something else comes along (in which case it'll be up in the next month or 2).

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These are all great points, several of which I didn't think of while watching the film but now make perfect sense. This is a very good post. It certainly is refreshing after reading all the "OMG ur st00pid"-type posts on this website.

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By no means a bad film but I would very surprised at anyone who could rank this as one of Ford's better films. I would place it very low on a list of films of his I have seen.

I think the original poster is one of many hundreds of thousands of people (myself included) who does not actually understand what cinematography is. I think people confuse it with photography. If you actually look on the internet at what cinematography is its actually a very technical process and its probably only those making films who are best qualified to comment. If you talk about the photography in this film, I would not agree that it is fantastic as 95% of the film is shot on studio sets.

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A film can have great cinematography/photography and still be shot on sound stages. How do you explain The Wizard of Oz and Casablanca?

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Well, at least you included yourself among the ignorant re: cinematography. Just to set the record straight, cinematography (from Greek: κίνημα, kinema "movements" and γράφειν, graphein "to record") is the science or art of motion picture photography.

The fact is that the cinematography in this film was excellent, although the writing and acting are what most impressed me and others.

It is better to be kind than to be clever or good looking. -- Derek

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Well, I'm responding to this 6 years after the fact but for what it's worth I do understand what distinguishes cinematography from ordinary photography (not to mention direction, which is what people most often confuse cinematography with). In fact I probably understood it better at the time I posted this than I do now, since back then I had recently worked with people trained in the field (whereas it's been a long time since that experience at this point)! I have to say I'm confused by your assertion that shooting on studio sets has anything to do with the quality of cinematography. Indeed, many of the most celebrated cinematographers - let's start with Gregg Tolland - established their reputation on soundstages. In some ways it actually requires more ingenuity, since you have more control and have more factors to manage vs. being able to rely on natural lighting for a good deal of the effect.

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Yeah, it's all in the central character. His shaping, and his portrayal. Alice Brady was brilliant too.


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opening post thank you

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Agree with everything the OP said. I came here specifically to mention the excellent cinematography. I don't know if the film has been restored or if I just have a much better TV than I used to, but I was just knocked out by the outdoor scenes along the river(and many others). I don't know much about how movies are filmed but I know that this one is a beauty.

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