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Dorothy did not have a dream!


Oz the Great and Powerful (2013) proves that.

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Actually ... When you follow the Red Brick Road, you end up in the third act of Inception. OtGaP is simply another dream within a dream, etc trope.

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LOL

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That is, if you consider Oz the Great and Powerful to be "in continuity" with the Wizard of Oz movie.

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I do. Both movies complement each other.

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Interesting.

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In the 1939 film it had to have been a dream. How else could the characters like the flying witch, the talking scarecrow, the tin man, etc. have been real?

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Magic

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"Return to Oz" proved it.

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I never saw it. Was it any good?

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It was pretty good.

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Different takes on a book. Not related.

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Dorothy DID have a dream! Remember when she woke up at home?

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If she did have a dream, how do you explain "Oz The Great and Powerful"?

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Oz was part of the dream!!!

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she dreamed that movie too?

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If you go by the books, OZ was not a dream. I guess they didn't do many sequels in 39 so it wasn't really important to keep with the book.

Return to Oz tried for some continuity with the first movie by questioning if it was all in her head, and adding from a couple more of the books.

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Well even back in '39 wasn't there already a series of shorter books?

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I was referring to movie sequels, not the books.

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Some movies in the 1930s and 1940s had sequels; usually mystery stuff like Charlie Chan, The Thin Man, and the Perry Mason series. But The Wizard of Oz was a more prestigious, standalone picture.

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Yes, there were sequels for sure, but not like today where every single movie that does well at the box office gets a sequel.

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By 1939 all 14 Oz books written by L. Frank Baum had been published.

In the books, as opposed to the 1939 film, Oz was real. Due to perceptions of audience reactions by the studios, the film showed it as a dream. (Apparently it was thought that audiences in 1939 couldn't handle Oz as a real place.)

Return to Oz might have been intended as a continuation of the 1939 film, but failed, in my view. Removing the musical aspects and now claiming Oz was real contradicts with the earlier movie. On its own merits I thought it was a decent, if rather dark, rendition.

I don't see Oz the Great and Powerful as having any connection to the movie or book continuity. It got a few things okay, but the Wizard's relationships with the witches is contradicted in the books.

And for KristenStewartforever, Wicked is an odd and depressing pastiche of the Oz books and should be disregarded in any vein other than a pastiche.

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Who's KristenStewartforever?

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A poster who often frequents Oz boards loudly proclaiming that Wicked is an cannon addition to the Oz oevre. He or she is loud, obnoxious and refuses to explain how such a story which directly contradicts huge swathes of Baum's books can be cannon.

That part of the comment was a self-indulgent insertion that was probably not necessary. My apologies.

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No problem.

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A poster who often frequents Oz boards loudly proclaiming that Wicked is an cannon addition to the Oz oevre. He or she is loud, obnoxious and refuses to explain how such a story which directly contradicts huge swathes of Baum's books can be cannon.

That part of the comment was a self-indulgent insertion that was probably not necessary. My apologies.

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No problem.

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I have no idea why that posted twice.

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In the book it wasnt as dream, Oz was a real place and Dorothy eventually brought her aunt and uncle to live there with her.

In the movie, though, it really is a dream.

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