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Two Questions on the film.


1) Why did the Confederate gambler offer to protect the pregnant woman. The movie made a hint about a silver cup that he had and as he was dying he said that his father was a reverend but I don't know the connection.

2) This one really can't be determined I don't think, but were the guns of the three villians in the end loaded with blanks? The Doc refuses to let one of them leave with a shot gun from the counter of the bar and later the man is given a rifle by a woman from the roof of the bar. A few moments later a cat walks by and one of the men shots and "misses" it. One of the brothers teases him for missing at four feet. This and the fact that Wayne is so convinced he'll kill the three men lead me to belive that the townspeople gave them guns with blanks in them.

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1. Remember that Hatfield (John Carradine - father of Keith, David & Robert) tells Mrs. Mallory that he served in her father's regiment during the War For The Southern Confedercy (as he calls it). Then later Mrs. Mallory recongized the crest on the silver cup as that of Greenfield (?) Manor. At the end when Hatfield dies he says 'if you see Judge Greenfield, tell him his s.....'. Of course when he dies, we realize that after the war when Hatfield became a gambler (not the occupation of a southern gentleman), he changed his name. And the cup was his family's.

2. What? You don't think the Ringo Kid could have killed Luke Plummer and his brothers? Remember the saloon girl was on Luke's side -- so why would she give him an unloaded gun? Who would have put the blanks in the other two's guns?

Remember the film shows how scared/nervous the Plummer boys are. Luke lets Doc Boone back him down from the shotgun and the other brother misses the cat. The bad guys are scared and apprently not to good of shots. In the film you see Ringo dive to the ground as he gets off the first shot, then cut to Dallas and hear more shots. Ringo gets off the first shot (one brother) and by his dive, the othe two obviously miss him.

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I have a 3rd question: in the "indians chase the stagecoach" scene, one of the men up front is making a throwing motion, like he is throwing something in front of the horses. What is it?

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He is throwing rocks at the horses to make them go faster.

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'Were the guns of the three villians in the end loaded with blanks?'

This film was set around 1870 - I don't think 'blanks' existed back then.

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1) Why did the Confederate gambler offer to protect the pregnant woman. The movie made a hint about a silver cup that he had and as he was dying he said that his father was a reverend but I don't know the connection.

The girls father was his commanding officer: He prevented Hatfield from being hanged after Hatfield lost the company payroll gambling. Hatfield felt that since her father had protected him, he owed a debt to her (and her father) by protecting her. The Silver drinking cup was from a neighboring plantation. mrs Mallory alludes that is was taken by theivery or looting. Hatfield claims he won it on a wager, more than likely he was responsible for taking it during the looting of that plantation.


2) This one really can't be determined I don't think, but were the guns of the three villians in the end loaded with blanks? The Doc refuses to let one of them leave with a shot gun from the counter of the bar and later the man is given a rifle by a woman from the roof of the bar. A few moments later a cat walks by and one of the men shots and "misses" it. One of the brothers teases him for missing at four feet. This and the fact that Wayne is so convinced he'll kill the three men lead me to belive that the townspeople gave them guns with blanks in them.

Guns weren't loaded with blanks. Doc took the shotgun away because taking a shotgun into a gun fight was patently 'unfair' -- it was a much more deadly weapon, because it shot large pellets in a wide pattern, the more likely the shot would kill or seriously harm Ringo kid. Thus making him go into a fight with a pistol or rifle (much as the Ringo Kid held). Plummer was afraid of a face up fight, knowing he would probably lose and the shotgun was his only method of winning. Ringo believed he could kill all three because he was "that good" and was avenging his brother's murder.

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"He prevented Hatfield from being hanged after Hatfield lost the company payroll gambling. Hatfield felt that since her father had protected him, he owed a debt to her (and her father) by protecting her. The Silver drinking cup was from a neighboring plantation."

Where did you get all that information from?? I don't recall any of that being made clear in the movie. All we know for sure is that Hatfield served in Mrs Mallory's regiment, and that the cup belonged to his father, Judge Greenfield (Hatfield's dying words reveal that this is his true surname). We presume that Judge Greenfield, and Lucy Mallory's dad were great friends in the 'old South'.

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Also, Hatfield, from the beginning, recognized Mrs Mallory when he saw her; he later tells her that he had last seen her when she was a little girl.

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