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Technically brilliant - but utterly dull.


I was subjected to this film during a philosophy of film and literature lecture, with commentary from the class professor beforehand that it was 'his favourite film'. However, whilst it is undeniable that the directorial style and the cinematography can be appreciated, as can the semi-historical aspect documenting a time and place, from an entertainment point of view, it is utterly dull. When judging some of these old films the ability to entertain has to rank somewhere on the list. It cannot be given a 1/10, because from a production point of view in the media of film it undeniably has its place in the grand pantheon of classic French cinema, but I gleaned no pleasure whatsoever in the mind-numbingly boring narrative and forgettable plot.

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Rules of the Game has been "entertaining" me for over 30 years -
its wisdom, subtlety and poetry seem as fresh and trenchant as ever. Its humanity shines through for those with eyes to see.

I saw RotG for the first time in 1972 and was completely overwhelmed by it. In fact it is my favorite film of all time, not because someone told me it was great art (which it is), but because I fell madly in love with it - RotG spoke directly to my heart as well as my mind. As I have traveled through life over the years, repeated viewings have only revealed deeper depths of this masterpiece, much to my great viewing pleasure.

If I may be so bold to point this out...just because *you* find this film dull doesn't necessarily mean it *is* dull, especially for others of perhaps more sophisticated sensibilities.

Moreover, I would suggest that entertainment value is not the only or even highest yardstick by which cinematic greatness is measured. Nor is plot the point, especially in a film of this sort. (You really must learn to look beyond PLOT my dear.) What entertains you may seem crashingly obvious to me - what entertains me might be a heavy slog for you.

Technical achievement only counts for so much and while ROTG is certainly beautifully crafted, its production values and cinematography are not what make it a great film - what makes this film so universally beloved is that it still has the power to move and enlighten us.


I have no problem if your response to RotG is an honest rather than provocative reaction. If you choose films solely on their "entertainment value", a criteria that must curely be a moving target, then that is certainly your prerogative.

But if I may be so bold, I'd like to suggest you take another look at this film after you have experienced more of life. You find that you are not so ready to dismiss this film as you were in your youth. (I surmise from your post you are a young man.)

FYI, I'm driving 180 miles this weekend to see RotG in a new 35mm print in a beautiful old revival house.. It will be nothing but joy for me, the richest entertainment I can imagine to bring in the New Year.

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I think this guy deserves a comment of recognition on his post if he did not sound a tad bit "I am better than you"

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Two delightful posts! I kind of like the 'sophisticated sensibilities' comment! Thank you for the in depth and thoughtful reply and I admire you travelled so far to see this film - you are not my old philosophy professor are you?!

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If I may be so bold to point this out...just because *you* find this film dull doesn't necessarily mean it *is* dull, especially for others of perhaps more sophisticated sensibilities.


No wonder you like this film you pretentious bastard.

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I agree with with you alexanderbanks, though historically important and innovative The Rules of the Game utterly fails to entertain the viewer. Its slow, pointless and lacks almost all of what brings me to watch films.

I admire its influence and importance to modern cinema, but its just simply one of the most boring films I have ever seen. An 8/10 is a fairly good overall rating I think; it does deserve recognition for its innovative structure, but it lacks anything that remotely perks my interest.

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Trouter - I agree entirely with you = apart from the generous 8/10!

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Well it certainly is an admirable film, its had a heavy influence on modern cinema, and was one of the films that laid the groundwork for cinema as we know it.

However, aside from that the film utterly fails to entertain the viewer, and if it cannot engage one's attention, then it fails one of the most important aspects of the cinema.

Last film seen: The Human Condition 2 10/10

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I agree with with you alexanderbanks, though historically important and innovative The Rules of the Game utterly fails to entertain the viewer
Who is "the viewer"? I'm as much a viewer as anybody else, and it entertains me plenty. I respect anybody's right to dislike a movie, but people really need to recognize that their own personal taste or personal reaction isn't the standard measure of every work of art. "The foot" in English is twelve inches. If you wear a size 8, don't go around telling the rest of us we're measuring with an inaccurate ruler. I've enjoyed a lot of movies that I don't care if I ever see again. This is one of the few I can watch over and over.

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Strange. I found the film enormously entertaining. I especially don't understand the suggestion that the film is slow. It's quite fast paced and brisk. In fact, it's as if too many things are happening at the same time.

There is a number of very funny moments, but even if that doesn't work for you just watch the film only focussing on the camera movements. That alone makes it worthwhile.

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This is one of the most civilized threads I have ever seen.

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Civilised conversation is definitely the way forward mothboy!

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Mothboy, you struck the nail on its head! I wholeheartedly agree with you. Far and away the most sophisticated thread, absent of any troll or opinionated LotR fanboy. Amazing achievement all the way around.

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These threads are as classy as the aristocrats of the film which is interesting.
You only liked the technical achievement?
I actually found the film pretty entertaining, kind of like The Lady Vanishes a fun film. I was cracking up at Marceau and Octave.

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The Lady Vanishes was actually vaguely entertaining though Hoodman! Since the original posting I watched the film again - but I still cannot enjoy it. Maybe there is something wrong with my taste?!

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Not only don't I find it dull, I find it absorbing. I can watch it over and over. So that's all subjective. Sorry you don't care for it, but nobody likes everything.

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Quite late to join this discussion, but the civilized tone was indeed very surprising and encouraged me to hit the reply button.
I myself found it absorbing as well to my much surprise. Usually what I experience with 'art-house classics' or those laying the foundation of modern cinema is somewhat similar to original posters view - I can appreciate and recognize those elements which made them important in film history (may it be technical or concerning the different approach in their 'film language'), but I am rarely drawn into the world they create and usually they fail to entertain me.
In this case, I was immediately enchanted for some reason and it grew on me quickly. A timeless movie.

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I don´t know, but the interminable chit-chat and broad, rambling, unfunny comedy were exactly that - dull. Whatever the technical merits (which aren´t that impressive to begin with), whatever the metaphors and what it might stand for, in purely aesthetic terms it was pretty much a pain in the ass to sit through. And it´s also surprising how timid this supposedly scathing satire largely was; I mean, it may add up to something piercing in the hindsight, but amidst all the endless yakking and bumbling, the edge went pretty much missing. On the other hand though, comedy of manners has never been my thing exactly and I also find French films - as well as French in general - quite often annoying. Anyway I can only hope Renoir was also up for some better things occasionally.

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When you describe it as "supposedly scathing," you presumably refer to the original hostile reaction of those who considered themselves scathed. The French sometimes have rather odd reactions to their own movies: wanting to imprison Clouzot for making "Le Corbeau," nearly starting a riot when "Lola Montes" didn't show enough of Martine Carol's cleavage.

I don't think Renoir ever set out to be scathing, even at his most didactic. Even "The Crime of Monsieur Lange" made its point while maintaining that gentle and humanistic tone that was one of the director's hallmarks, and I don't believe this movie had any similar political purpose.

I would describe the satire as more mordant than scathing, and all the comedy as rueful. The movie isn't trying to be a laugh riot, and I don't think it's trying to be the last word on social relations during the Third Republic either. I think Renoir simply set out to create a comedy of manners and ended up doing something much more morally complex because he was a genius and couldn't help it.

If the movie is so strangely prescient and quietly heartbreaking, I believe it's because the filmmaker's consciousness always had its shutter open. The movie caught everything that was in the air.

Here's what I infer is meant by "entertainment value": creating a want and satisfying it. Telling the audience what you're going to do, doing it, and telling them you've done it.

In a different movie, I might have been thinking Robert and Genevieve were really meant for each other, and I'd be congratulating myself on being ahead of the movie. And they'd end up together. But I'm not and they don't. In a different movie, I might be rooting for Christine to wind up with either Octave or Andre, but I never do. In a different movie, Andre might have been set up in such a way that my tears would flow when he gets shot. In a different movie, Robert might have realized how much he really loves his wife and she'd have ended up in his arms.

This is a movie where I don't feel invested in any outcome for anybody other than the outcome that is not a logical possibility within the story. And yet I feel such tremendous compassion for everybody.

You could simply die of frustration watching Christine encounter one closed door after another, at figuring out that Octave will never be useful to anybody (he even fails as a facilitator), of knowing that Marcel will never imagine his way out of his dithering. It's stupid that any sophisticated person's life requires him to entertain people like the Bruyeres for the weekend. It's stupid that Christine and Robert ever married, or that Shumacher and Lisette ever did. It's stupid that Octave's diddling of a maid gets a friend killed. It's stupid that Andre, who is technically a hero, dies such a ridiculous and useless death.

But the characters aren't stupid and their eyes (unlike the case in many comedies) are not closed. And the movie is not stupid. It's fate that is stupid.

That's why I suspect the very things that drive you crazy in the movie are exactly the things the rest of us love about it. Nobody has a conventional movie arc or gets a conventional movie ending. This is a really great movie. I mean a really great movie.

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"I don´t think Renoir set out to do be scathing".

This is where semantics may have interfered again, but... what use is satire if it doesn´t cut like a knife? Yes, it ain´t nor is it supposed to be ´bitter´ (which, according to the dictionary, appears to be the defining undertone of "scathing"). But, just like quite many other classic era films, I find it way too chatty for its own good, too full of that so-called ´sophisticated banter´ - and the dialogue, as translated into English at least, ain´t that impressive imo. The film may be ´heartbreaking´ as you say - but hardly ´quietly´ so.

"The movie wasn´t trying to be a laugh riot".

Yeah, but the big slapstick sequence, for instance, to me at least fell completely flat - I didn´t even find it amusing let alone laugh-out-loud funny. I agree it isn´t preachy nor stupid and furthermore, who ends up with whom and whether or not it´s predictable, doesn´t really concern me at all (one thing though - the film woulda had much more bite had it been Christine not Andre that was killed). I see what the movie is doing. I just don´t think it´s doing it too well.

"I mean a REALLY great movie".

Yeah it´s kinda frustrating to see it among the top 10 favourite lists of so many great directors whose work I love yet come up empty with this one. Gotta accept the mystery I guess.





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I agree. The plot has been done before, and since. And that would be fine, but the characters were so irritating. The only one I felt sympathy for was Christine's niece, because she didn't really do anything wrong. She just liked the wrong person. The rest of them-sheesh! They really brought all their troubles on themselves. I could not for the life of my figure out why everyone was fighting over Christine-selfish, shallow....but then again, they all were.
Part of me wants to watch this movie again, so I can catch all the wonderful cinematographic aspects, and direction, and props, etc. But I don't know if I can sit through the plot, and unlikable characters again!

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This post baffles me. If you have any appreciation for the comedy of manners style, old films, black & white cinematography, etc., I see no reason why this movie wouldn't be incredibly entertaining. I admit, it's not engaging 100% of the time, especially if you don't know what to expect going in. But still, it's not an inaccessible movie, and I can certainly think of films of this genre and style that are far harder to watch. *coughanythingbunuelcough*

I think perhaps you simply don't enjoy black and white french films...

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I've liked every Bunuel film I've seen far more than this. The OP is right - technically brilliant but utterly dull is a perfect description.

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“You could simply die of frustration watching Christine encounter one closed door after another, at figuring out that Octave will never be useful to anybody (he even fails as a facilitator), of knowing that Marcel will never imagine his way out of his dithering. It's stupid that any sophisticated person's life requires him to entertain people like the Bruyeres for the weekend. It's stupid that Christine and Robert ever married, or that Shumacher and Lisette ever did. It's stupid that Octave's diddling of a maid gets a friend killed. It's stupid that Andre, who is technically a hero, dies such a ridiculous and useless death…..But the characters aren't stupid…And the movie is not stupid.”

I thought they were all stupid & acted stupidly. Almost all of them spoke of love, but it wasn’t love that motivated them, it was their need to satisfy themselves. IMO, the characters were selfish, one dimensional, emotional gluttons. None of them would ever be satisfied, they just wanted, wanted, wanted. Couldn’t feel much empathy for any of them, nor did I find them interesting.

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