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Errol Flynn could really act!!! Who knew????


Well, at least I didn't think he could before I saw this movie a few years back. Just saw it again and I'm still so impressed with Errol in this film and wonder what great roles he could have done if the studios had taken him seriously as an actor. I find it ironic that Bette thought he was such a bad actor, as I find her performance in this movie mannered, distracting and over-done. Errol is so natural and real in contrast. I was glad to hear that she changed her mind about him when she saw the movie again as an older lady. Better late than never, I guess.

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Actually, he was a true natural actor! He was very at ease on screen and made good acting choices a LOT! Here, he wisely underplayed his role because he took into account Bette's flamboyance....it also builds up the concept in the screen play that Robert and the Queen tempermentally were never going to mesh well! Bette wanted Laurence Olivier in the Essex role...to me, that would have been a disaster,becuase he would have tried to out-emote her! Errol actually was quite skillful in his approach and added GREATLY to this film. I love his performance here!Flynn was the right Essex for this film.

Other standout acting jobs from him include Dawn Patrol,Adventures of Don Juan,Sea hawk and That Forstyhe woman(acting QUITE againist type),The sun also rises,Objective Burma, Adventures of Robin Hood and Captain Blood...he was pretty consistent as a screen actor so in my opinion he never was truly bad ever....some of the later Westerns were less committed or focused but he still gave a credible performance in most of his films.

Even some of his lesser films and comedies are of interest..he was better than a lot of people gave him credit for in his lifetime. I think Warners demeaned Flynn's talent to control Flynn and get the most work out of him for the studio...they even had him beleiving that no other studio wanted to borrow him for loanouts....and Errol believed them until he accidently met a producer at Paramount who revealed that Cecil B. De MIlle had requested Flynn for 2 roles but Jack Warner had refused to loan Flynn out...one of these roles was Wake of the Red witch...John Wayne got the lead....but Flynn would have been SO much better IMO! Flynn was actually the King of the Warner's lot in terms of Box office but NEVER had the power or prestige there that the undisputed Queen of Warner's did....that was Bette Davis...or Miss Davis to Errol if his autobiography is to be believed!

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Flynn is unjustly regarded as a lightweight actor. Most of his vehicles were lightweight. He really showed what he could do in an atypical unglamorous role in Edge of Darkness, one of my favorite movies and an underrated classic in my opinion. He did in Private Lives, etc., too. He was every bit as impressive as the "egotistical little bitch" (Barbara Stanwyck's words, not mine).

He maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good... St. Matthew 5:45

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He was OK in this, but if Laurence Olivier had played Essex it would have been an even better film than it is.

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Respectfully disagree. Olivier wasn't tough enough for the part the way it was written, whereas Flynn was the tough guy with a refined veneer. Betty only wanted Olivier bacause he wasn't well known in the Untied States yet, and she didn't want to have to share the spotlight with another major star.

He maketh His sun to rise on the evil and on the good... St. Matthew 5:45

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I still think Olivier could have acted the hell out of the part. He was tough in Wuthering Heights and Rebecca, not to mention That Hamilton Woman. Understand, I don't think Errol was bad in this, he just wasn't in the same league with Davis.

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Have it your way, lastmidnite2. I stand by my opinion, too. If Betty had slapped Larry the way she did Errol, it would have knocked him down!

He maketh His sun to rise on the evil and on the good... St. Matthew 5:45

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Lol, not so; Larry came from the stage; sword fighting 8 times a week. He was made of sterner stuff. In any event, we agree to disagree!

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Jake.

He maketh His sun to rise on the evil and on the good... St. Matthew 5:45

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If anything, HER acting was overboard! I much preferred Flora Robson's version of Elizabeth in BOTH The Sea Hawk AND Fire Over England.

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Olivier was a great actor to be sure, but he never struck me as a NATURAL actor. Flynn played his Essex in a very credible fashion. I am a big fan of his work, but this film required a few viewings because I made the mistake of believing others who reviewed it and said his acting showed alot of petulence, and lack of commitment. THEY WERE WRONG!!!

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I thought that Errol Flynn was good in the Michael Curtiz film "Elizabeth and Essex". There is a lengthy stretch of scene dialogue close to the end of the film which really makes one really wish, however, that the role had been acted by Laurence Olivier (I believe it is just before Essex goes to Ireland) as Olivier had the better acting ability than did Flynn. It was, alas, not to be.

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Flynn, who was perfect for this role, was an underrated natural who was never given his due simply because he also happened to be incredibly handsome. No matter how talented, the exceptionally good-looking are rarely taken seriously, and Errol Flynn was a perfect example of this mindset. Early in his career, he was stereotyped as someone who could swash a buckle and little else, but his portrayals in films such as this showed that there was much more to this lust-inspiring man than a nice sword. Even the scenery-chewing Davis recognized his talent, albeit too late. Because they were so similar as people, Davis knew that she had met her match in Flynn, and it's usually those who are similar to each other who clash the most.

If Olivier has co-starred with her in this or any film, Bette -- not "Betty" to the supposedly big fans of hers who misspelled it at this board -- would have chewed him UP, spit him OUT, and stomped ON him like one of her trademark cigarettes. Olivier was an overrated, overinflated ham who would have brought nothing to this role except weakness, affectation, and an extra large (spoiled) ham. When I think of Essex, I think of Errol Flynn. If Olivier had played the role, I'd be thinking of someone who's mainly adept at recitation...while holding a 20 lb. ham. Granted, Olivier had a handful of memorable roles, but Flynn had his share as well and Essex is one of them. He proved his talent and held his own in a number of films, and comparing him to Olivier as far as which one would have been the better Essex is pointless and snobbish.

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I have to agree with you...Edge of Darkness IS extremely underrated. He was very serious in the role...it wasn't a film where he was the sole hero....and some of the camera work and angles were first rate! Good to see someone else who appreciates that movie!

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Thank you, gambler. I am glad to have someone agree with me after the mauling I got by lastmidnite2. It finally began to dawn on me that lastmidnite2 is undoubtedly a woman. If I had realized that to start with, I would have never tried to argue. Dense me!


Edge of Darkness is solidly in my personal top ten. If you haven't already, check out another Lewis Milestone movie The Strange Loves of Martha Ivers. It has the same kind of fluid camera work and the same kind of incredible tension maintained throughout. Also Van Hefflin, another underrated actor, or underused as a lead at least. If you are watching it on some network source, instead of a DVD where you can stop action, you had better go to the bathroom before it starts. As with EOD, you be glued to your chair until the end.

He maketh His sun to rise on the evil and on the good... St. Matthew 5:45

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I didn't give you a mauling, lol. I very respectfully disagreed with you. And I happen to be a man!

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lastmidnight2:

"...And I happen to be a man!"

My apologies!!!

He maketh His sun to rise on the evil and on the good... St. Matthew 5:45

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lol, accepted!

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As an addendum, Davis went to a screening of some of her old movies during the end of her life and this was one of them. After watching it she happily admitted: "He was one hel* of a good actor." and showed regret that she had ever thought otherwise.

Part of me can see the two in the afterlife talking and laughing together, recalling "the good old days."

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He was fantastic in this film and incredibly handsome.

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