Overrated and Racist


I hate to be the one to bring it up, and usually I am not bothered by these sort of things; but, the minstrel show in the middle of the film was very awkward and racist. It really was difficult and uncomfortable to watch. I understand that it was a different time and they were doing a vaudevillian act, but it was quite an ugly sight.

As for the film, I had always heard that it was an unforgettable musical classic. I found it average at best. The pacing of the movie seemed awkward and some parts dragged on longer than they should while others were breezed through. Mickey Rooney overacts and is extremely annoying at times and even Judy Garland doesn't give her best performance. June Preisser and Margaret Hamilton were both very good and entertaining, but their supporting roles weren't enough to keep the film interesting. The chemistry between Mickey and Judy was lacking and the subplot between Mickey and his father was melodramatic and unbelievable. There are very few films I would say this about, but I wouldn't watch this film again if you paid me. Really, just wasted talent in this film.

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Naturally, we are all very concerned about your views on racism in a 70 year old film and of the poor performances you felt you were subjected to.

I will be filing a complaint with the NAACP and a class action suit against MGM and the estates of the creative talent involved in the production of the film.

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Hey, I'm just giving my 2 cents. I'm sorry that you obviously didn't agree with my post, but was all that garbage in response really necessary? I'm not trying to spark a flame, I just thought the movie was way overrated and slightly racist, yes even for 70 years ago. Still, not a very good film.

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I never cease to be amazed by the truly asinine comments made on this cite. If you really think the Chappelle's Show is reverse racism, there's an empty bench on the Supreme Court you'd be just perfect for.

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Nothing wrong with blacking up-or whiting up.Saw original stage show the other day-pity they didn't film that as it was written. Hays Office bowdlerisers!

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It's unfortunate that we cannot observe and learn from the cinematic racism of old films instead of trashing the movies themselves. Yes, the minstrel, blackface tradition was despicable. But we cannot erase it from Hollywood history so that future generations don't even know what it is or was. Perhaps a disclaimer should be issued with the DVD.

As for Mickey Rooney overacting--well, that's what he was born to do. He was not the top box office star during that period (beating out Gable and others) for being subtle or low-key. As for the "chemistry between Mickey and Judy...lacking," did you notice how that relationship went on the back-burner for the Baby Rosalie (June Preisser) subplot? Alas for Judy but she was often treated as a frump in these pictures--taken for granted and in the background until the final number.

When approaching films of this sort, virtual antiques, it's best to try to put yourself into the period to fully appreciate what you're seeing. You cannot expect the gloss and bells and whistles of the later musicals in 1939. Admire it for its pronounced message of uplift and patriotism, coming a month into the war in Europe, at the tail end of the Great Depression. It's a beautiful period piece about America in transition---the death of vaudeville, the dawn of "teenage" and the boom in the youth market/culture, and so much more. The film perfectly captures a moment in time, just as the war was breaking out in Europe. The big "God's Country" number also celebrates MGM as opposed to the Fascist dictators: "We have no Ducce, We have no Fuhrer/ But we've got Garbo and Norma Shearer." The good-natured ribbing of the Roosevelts (with Franklin/Mickey WALKING and DANCING!), complete with the Fireside Chats is perfect fun, but it's probably lost on modern viewers.

"Babes in Arms" sold more tickets in 1939 than "The Wizard of Oz." But it's obviously less accessible to audiences today.

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The only stand out aspects were Rooney's performance (minus the minstrel scene) which demonstrated what a precocious talent he was and the warm up exercises by Baby Rosalie which were pretty spectacular, otherwise it is racist and arrogant as in the song God's Country claiming the US as such.

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I agree with the OP- blackface doesn't bother me if it's just a few people in it (like the Marx Brothers in A Day At The Races or Judy Garland's solo number in Everybody Sing), but the truth is, there were no black people in the entire movie, much less the minstrel number- all white people in black face. And it's ridiculous to say that there were few African Americans around at MGM at the time, because the Marx Brothers were turning out movies that featured gospel and swing sung by black musicians during the same time AT the same studio- MGM. There was no excuse to put an entire cast in blackface in Babes in Arms.

The '36 version of Show Boat had a minstrel number, which was still very uncomfortable to watch don't get me wrong, but Show Boat took place in the 1880s, a time when minstrel shows were popular. The minstrel shows in Show Boat probably attempted merely to paint the time setting accurately, not necessarily to be racist. As minstrel shows were well out of style in the late 1930s when Babes In Arms was filmed, the minstrel number had little or no reason to be in there- it just didn't fit. It could fairly be viewed as racist. Personally, the image of an entire cast in blackface crowding around a white guy who's sitting in a lawn chair and grinning disturbs me (it sort of reminded me of slavery, for some reason). Was Babes in Arms meant to be racist? Probably not, but that doesn't stop the minstrel scene from being very awkward.

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I'm not gonna (yawn) address the minstrel stuff because (yawn) the film
is a product of its time and (yawn) people need to GET OVER IT already
(if you're truly concerned about a 1939 film with people in blackface, you
have way too much time on your hands).

That said, the film IS overrated, unbearably corny and really isn't a
particularly good musical. 1940's "Strike up the Band" is far better,
with more (and superior) musical numbers. As for the "restored"
Roosevelt number, it adds little to an already corny finale. The first
and WORST of the Rooney/Garland musicals. As staggeringly gifted as
Rooney was/is, he did NOT deserve an Oscar nomination for this hammy
turn.

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I love Mickey and Judy, but I agree this was far from their best showcase. After several viewings through the years, I also agree with the criticisms you've made, except that the chemistry between Mickey and Judy was lacking.

But we can't see the film as contemporary audiences did. In 1939 a film starring teenagers was very new and Mickey and Judy, even at their worst, were perhaps the most versatile teens of that era. Adolescent actors and actresses weren't considered "big box office" until the advent of Deanna Durbin and Mickey himself a year or two before BABES premiered. Durbin was great, but her films were pretty much solo star vehicles built around her singing and her "Little Miss Fixit" persona. BABES was probably the first musical film to star a group of talented teens and, obviously, it caught the public's fancy.

Even though I agree that the subplot between Mickey and his father was melodramatic and unbelievable, these very sentimental subplots were a big part of the Mickey/Judy films. I think the one between Mickey and his Mom in STRIKE UP THE BAND is even worse, but, if that's not enough, we also get another slogfest in Larry Nunn's life-threatening illness. Then there's the whole Virginia Weidler and the Orphanage subplot of BABES ON BROADWAY. I guess audiences liked 'em thick and sticky and oppressively sentimental?

You may already have guessed that my favorite Rooney/Garland film is GIRL CRAZY, which tended to avoid these bathetic scenes.

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Actually, I think the relationship between Rooney and Ann Shoemaker is
quite touching. It's acted so beautifully and thoughtfully and reminds
me of my own relatioship with my mom, as well as other moms. But
I'm 47. Another difference is Shoemaker is playing everything REAL,
whereas the overbearing, thoroughly obnoxious Charles Winniger (an actor
I detest) couldn't say "pass the salt" without hamming it up. He's also
awful in "Ziegfeld Girl" and completely ruins "Little Nellie Kelly" (the
script doesn't help. There's NO reason this old fart should dislike
George Murphy's character, yet he lives with them and treats him terribly).
I could NOT stand that actor.

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Several years ago, my local PBS station showed BABES on a Saturday night. I'd never seen it before, but I was enjoying the cornball antics UNTIL that godawful minstrel show. No one has to tell me it was a product of its time, ok. Hell, I've spent years defending BIRTH OF A NATION on the grounds that its content is rancid but its form is revolutionary. But the blackface in BABES just made me cringe, the same way I think HOLIDAY INN, a very enjoyable film, is ruined by its blackface sequence.

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I cringed through the entire blackface sequence, just wanted it to end. I know you can't apply contemporary notions of right and wrong to a film set in a historical period when racism was common place, even the norm, and I'm not saying I didn't enjoy much of the film, but God that was a truly awful scene to watch. Nothing wrong with commenting on and acknowledging that fact.

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I also have to agree that while on the whole I enjoyed Babes in Arms, corny bits and all, I have always found the blackface number painfull to watch and somewhat spoils the film for me. I understand you need to watch a film such as this in its historical context and we can't apply our modern notions of right and wrong on it but I've nevered enjoyed minstral numbers such as these, finding them rather degrading and condescending, and I don't believe I ever will historical context not withstanding.

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How easy it is to look back 80+ years and critisize people for things that had little concern then. The minstral numbers were actually an homage to the music and the tradition of black people. I find them much more acceptable than the films much later that had native american played my anybody but native americans. And while you're at it, what about Charlie Chan which was never played by an asain? Be thankful that we have grown and now have nearly all racially identifiable roles played by those races. As for overrated, again, easy to look back when innocent was real. Times change. Attidutes change.

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"The minstral numbers were actually an homage to the music and the tradition of black people."

What the hell? How were they an homage? Why didn't they get REAL Black people to do these "homages" then??

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"Hell, I've spent years defending BIRTH OF A NATION on the grounds that its content is rancid but its form is revolutionary."


Ugh

Ruin is a gift. Ruin is the road to transformation (Eat, Pray, Love)

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I'm glad to see someone brought it up actually--my friend and I were visiting last night, the TV was on, and all of a sudden the minstrel number came on with no warning whatsoever...we thought maybe we were watching a Mel Brooks parody or something, then the dawning horror that--no--this is for real. I'm not going to take a stand on the subject of "should it be allowed to be shown," it's too complex and everyone has their own opinion, I'm just glad someone mentioned it and began a discussion about it--my jaw was on the floor and I can't believe I'd never heard anything about the number before.

I don't like censorship, but I confess, when I saw the censored footage from "Fantasia," which is blatantly offensive and depressed me a lot--I'm glad it's cut out of the modern version of the movie. Some things really don't need to be remembered, actually, and if neglected will perhaps finally rest in peace.

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I agree the minstrel number was unappealing, to say the least. Thing is, the inclusion of this sequence didn't even make sense according to the script. Mickey's character is determined to put on a modern show in tune with the tastes of modern youth, and at the time this film was made minstrel numbers were already extremely old and tired---hardly a symbol of what was popular with kids at the time.

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Agreed. I had to fast forward through the minstrel show.

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