Gay couple


Weren't the two British gentlemen talking about rugby and playing with sugar homosexual lovers? They seem rather upset when they learn the German maid would be "changing" in their room. Also, when she enters the room and surprises them, both of them are in bed. If you notice, a pajama shirt and pants are hanging up beside the bed. One of the men is clearly nude (or wearing only underwear). When the mustached man leaves the bed, he is also without pants.

So, gay or nay?

I'm on... fire.

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Not gay, it is not even something that film makers would even think of when this film was made.

Let Zygons Be Zygons.

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I think it's just meant to be humorous, not gay.

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At the very least, it's open to debate. The bed scene is quite shocking,
and this does NOT look like to grown straight men. As for the poster
stating filmmakers didn't do this then, they did so in very subtle ways.
Hitch himself makes it very clear to anyone with gray matter that the
two male leads in "Rope" are gay.





















"Not this morning, Jerry." - Barbara Stanwyck, Clash By Night.

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Hitchcock had to very subtly imply that the two leads in Rope were gay, since Leopold and Loeb (the two real life killers the film is based on) were gay.

I did not see any gay reference in Rope, but I know some have, so I assume there is something I missed.

I dont think young people today know how gays were looked upon in the past. Gays did not exist. No one was gay. Even Liberace was straight. It never occured to any magazine to imply that he was gay (in the seventies)

Freddie Mercury, George Michael, Elton John, Rock Hudson, Anthony Perkins were all straight men. Even when everything pointed towards them being gay, we did not see it back then. Because it did not cross our minds.

Some of these men even married women. Elton and Renate were happily married in the eighties. Or so we thought.

When I use the word "we", I mean the general population. I am sure many now will say that they knew back then that these men were gay, but I will not believe them. Unless they are gay themselves. Maybe gay men back then picked up on it more easily.

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It's meant to be humorously gay. The comical homosexual has a loooong history in English entertainment. Of course they have to have a 'reason' for the guy to have no pants on so it isn't a flat out obvious reference, but audiences then as now would have seen what was intended.

Stop thinking that sexual humour was invented by your own generation. It wasn't. What it was, at least in mainstream media, was implied.

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Charters and Caldicott were hardly gay. They are characters who appeared in a number of British films. Their sports conversations were about Cricket not Rugby.

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Charters and Caldicott were hardly gay...their sports conversations were about Cricket not Rugby.


lol

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And not rugby.
Cricket, sir. Cricket!

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I don't think that they are gay but, rather, that the implication that they COULD be "gay" is intended as a joke.

By having the two guys share a bed with one guy nude, the scene has obvious "gay" implications.

The idea of a guy being gay was used to humorous effect many times in "Old Hollywood." Christ - homosexuals working in the movie business is as old as the medium itself.

William Hayes was a known homosexual who was a major leading man near the end othe 1920s. He had a lover and everybody knew it. Joan Crawford herself once remarked that their gay marriage was the only one in Hollywood that had any staying power.

Vincent Minnelli and George Cukor were outright homosexuals (why else would Vincent have been so hot after Judy???). Many leading male stars were gay - not to mention the ones that had gay dalliances.

Even one Betty Boop cartoon from 1931 contains a blatant gay reference: As Betty, dressed as "Red Riding Hood," is picking flowers in the woods, an animated tree grabs one freshly-plucked blossom from her while exclaiming "The FAIRIES like them too!"

In TLV, the "gay" implication on the part of the two guys could come off as humorous for any number of reasons: the revelation of what they really "are" vs. what the audiences has so far perceived them to be; the fact they otherwise don't seem "gay" at all; the fact that while they may not be gay, they "look" gay in bed, etc.

As far as the argument goes that they are NOT gay, well, all I can say is that in the sugar scene, the two guys are obviously more into their own discussion and apparently have no interest in the very attractive Margaret Lockwood who is seated next to them. That point is most definitely emphasized when Dame May Whitty asks for the sugar and the two guys just grumble while reluctantly passing the sugar container to Whitty and Lockwood. Just like a couple of gay misogynists.

"Don't call me 'honey', mac."
"Don't call me 'mac'... HONEY!"

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I didn't think they were gay at all, although by today's social praxis, it did appear that way, but there was nothing in the way they carried themselves or interacted that would support that argument. They rather seemed like prudent British men who were very much a product of their time. We discussed this in my film class last week when we screened this movie, and I agreed with the professor wholeheartedly in his assertion that they weren't a gay couple, despite what people want to transpose on it. There really wasn't any indication of it.

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Supposedly, there's a bit missing before the scene of the two men in bed both reading the paper. One of the men's pajamas are accidentally dropped into water, which is why you see a pair of pajamas hanging - they're supposed to be drying out. So that one man isn't nude or just in his underpants, one man shares his pajamas with the other while the other pair are drying.

I think they're just really good friends who are obsessed with cricket. Now, that doesn't mean that they are or aren't gay, they're just really obsessed, upper middle class unmarried men.

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I didn't get the sense that they were gay. They seem like old buds. I hate how people try to sexualize everything. It's sickening.

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You sound like you might need therapy. Sex is an essential part of life and is one of the most common themes in art and literature. Film is no exception.

If sexual references, and humorous ones at that, cause you to be sick, then you must have real problems in an art gallery.

Fwiw, this movie is packed to the brim with sex jokes, most of them sly enough to escape the dunderheads who disapprove of such naughtiness.

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You sound like you might need therapy. Sex is an essential part of life and is one of the most common themes in art and literature. Film is no exception.


No, the poster is just revolted by the bizarre obsession that all men are gay (and if they aren't when they're alive, they definitely get gay once they die.) Usually the ones who insist on it are serial masturbators, like you. How many years have you been in therapy for it? ::wank, wank::

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No, I think he's just sick of everyone trying to find a gay subtext where there isn't one. This was pretty standard from British humour of the 1930's. The British were still getting over Queen Victoria so putting sex out in the open was very unlikely. The "Gay thread" in virtually every film listed on IMDB has become a bit boring. It's hardly original.

And just for the record, Charters and Caldicott appeared in a number of other movies, including "Night Train to Munich". They were like Thompson and Thompson in Tintin.

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Regardless of whether they were gay, the fact that you cretins are using words such as 'sickening' and 'revolting' to describe the mere suggestion that they were reveals where your true objections lie. You wouldn't react that way to the suggestion of an unlikely heterosexual relationship. And then you extrapolate from that that it means all men are gay? You're the one who needs therapy.

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Why are you so upset? You don't sound like a very secure gay man. Maybe you and your therapist can add that to all the other problems you're working on!

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One thing I'm not upset over is the idea there might be gays in black and white movies. And I don't sound like a very secure gay man because I'm not one, but don't let that stop you from your favourite 'pastime' of seeing gays everywhere.

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OK, so you aren't a very secure gay man. I just SAID that, didn't I? Reading is fundamental, dummy!

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