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did anyone prefer this version to the 1951 version?


i love dickens' novels and many of his books to films but concerning "a christmas carol" i must admit i prefer the 1938 version!! does anyone agree?

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Yes, This is the only version I watch. Its a classic!!

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While I admit that I do prefer the Alastair Sim film, this is a great and solid version with much to recommend it. It has so much going for it, that I hate to compare and say that one is better than the other, even with the preference I have. Can't we just say there are two terrific versions of the classic story? And I recommend everyne seeing both.


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i enjoy elements of them both, i like Alistairs Sims Scrooge but i like the actors playing the other characters in the '38 version

im quite happy that they are both shown during christmas

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TOTALLY AGREE!

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The 1951 movie with Alastair Sim's perfect performance as Scrooge is my personal favourite version of A Christmas Carol.

For many years, local television ran the MGM version and I have a fondness for it, especially with the Lockharts, including June, as the Cratchits. I think Reginald Owen must have been a very nice man because I don't find his Ebenezer as cold but his transition occurs quickly and completely.

I recall George C. Scott's performance of Scrooge in the 1980s as an excellent job; he wasn't capable of giving a bad performance but it's not Christmas for me unless Eve is spent with Alastair Sim.

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Yes, black and white only!

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I agree regarding the 1951 version... Without it, Christmas is just not complete. The '38-MGM film is enjoyable, but only Alistair Sim REALLY does justice to Dickens' Scrooge.

Especially delicious in the '51 film are the excellent supporting cast---particularly those playing the characters who would profit by Scrooge's death! Such portrayals of Dickensonian lowlife are conspicuously absent from the MGM film.

This was the role Sim was born to play.

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I think that's unfair to say Reginald Owen didn't do justice to Scrooge, he gave a remarkable performance imo. I'm impressed with both actors, esp. since they were fairly young for such a role (early 50s).

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But Scrooge himself was not an old man. He was the younger child and his sisters son was a man grown in the story, so I can't make him older than mid 50's.

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This is the best one, the 51 is too long and drawn out. Reginald as Scrooge is the best performance.

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I prefer the Alistair Sims version. This one just doesn't do it for me...especially Terry Kilburn's Tiny Tim. That was the most overwrought performance I have ever seen anyone give, child OR adult. If he could have taken it down about 5 notches, it would have been better. However, I do love the Lockhart family in their roles.

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I agree; Kilburn's Tiny Tim was so annoying that one can'r seriously grieve his death.
And as good an actor as Reginald Owens was, his Scrooge was a pale shadow compared to the brilliant Alistair Sim.

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Terry Kilburn is really over-the-top, but I love him for that. This is my favorite version of A Christmas Carol.

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Absolutely! Leo G. Carroll plays the difinitive Marley, I watch his scenes over and over. Ann Rutherford as Chrismas past is also perfectly cast. The measure of any perfomer, be it actor or singer, is that you BELIEVE them, and her scenes with Scrooge bring me to tears every time. I do tend to agree with some of the other replys about Timy Tim being not so great, but all of the children were too cutesy to suit me, but so what? The movie isn't about THEM anyway, the main charactors did a wonderful job, and all the other versions (and I've seen them all) can get stuffed!
P.S. I also agree that B/W is the only way to see it.

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I do agree Ann Rutherford was delightful - very touching as the Spirit of Christmas Past.

A previous poster remarked the 1951 version was too long and drawn out. The film is under ninety minutes - the perfect running time for any movie. I'm not a fan of these bum-numbers Hollywood feels compelled to turn out these days.

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The 1951 version with Alastair Sim as the perfect "Scrooge" far surpasses this treacly Hollywood version, with it's sweetened Scrooge, and the Crachits drinking his good health, no less! The British version caught the very essence of the impoverished side of London, as well as the comfortable middle-class that Dickens wrote of and knew so well. I have to agree with a previous poster in that the supporting cast here was infinitely better, and caught the lowlife elements so prevalent at the time absolutely perfectly. Leave it to Hollywood to turn this into so much pap!

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The 1951 version is certainly darker. If you read the book, you will find that the '51 version is more detailed and true to the book then the '38 counterpart. The 1938 edition however does capture the lighter and happier spirit of christmas, so it really comes down to what kind of mood you are in. I do feel there is room during the holidays for each edition, we love them both and spend time watching all four editions....yes we do own the dreaded "colorized" versions as well. I know that most people will burst into flames at the thought of seeing any classic B&W movie in color, but I will say that christmas movies like this are the exception. I agree that the darker black & White editions (as with all B&W movies) do offer more suspense & atmosphere, but the colorized editions are beautiful, and bring out more detail.

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The 38 B&W version anytime. I'd agree that the 51 version does go on a bit longer than it should.

the 38 version has recently come out on DVD, ordered it straight away. My copy recorded from a TV broadcast was becoming worn so it just came out at the right time.

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Many good film versions have been made. I have to say it is a tie between the 1938 version with Reginald Owen and the 1951 version with Alastair Sim.

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No offense, but I think this is the version they would have shown on the Satellite of Love.

Even the musical from the seventies is better.

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LOL! I was thinking the exact same thing! I even came up with several riffs on my own while watching it. I think I'll start a new thread on the subject.

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Maybe they will do a Riff-Trax for it

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Albert Finney in the 1970 musical version is the best!

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I'm afraid that I can't agree. I liked the director's choice of opening the film out in the street, with Scrooge's nephew meeting the Cratchits, but I'm still reeling over the fact that they cut out the entire crucial subplot of Scrooge being engaged to Belle, and losing her because of his love for money. How do you justify cutting something like that from this story, while adding things in?

The scenes with the Cratchits also had an odd feel to it. I'll always love Gene Lockhart because of his turn as the Judge in Miracle on 34th Street, but I thought he was wrong as Cratchit. He's a bit chubby, and having a chubby Cratchit goes against the grain of the story. Also, it was a bizarre choice to have him bring home a huge Christmas goose - the goose he bought was bigger than the one that Scrooge brought to him at the end of the film! It was supposed to be a small bird - one barely big enough to feed the family. I'll refrain from commenting on their version of "Tiny" Tim.

My favorite versions remain the 1970 musical Scrooge and the 1984 version starring George C. Scott.




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My favourite version is definitely the 1951 Alastair Sim, with the 1984 George C. Scott placing second. I also appreciate the 1999 Patrick Stewart, haven't yet seen the 1970 musical Scrooge (starring Albert Finney) but plan to do so this Christmas season.

As for this 1938 adaptation, it's pleasant holiday viewing but takes far too many liberties with Dickens' story, IMO. Cratchit is sacked by Scrooge near the beginning, the nephew Fred is engaged rather than married, and so forth. I also take exception to the complete omission of Belle (so vital to an understanding of Ebeneezer's past) while other scenes are embellished.

Reginald Owen's Scrooge repents before the Spirit of Christmas Past has taken his leave. What's the point of the other two spirits?

I thought that Scrooge's interactions with the watchmen on the street below completely ruined the ghostly, scary atmosphere of his scene with Marley's ghost. Another deviation from the novel and one which detracted from the tale.

I generally liked the depiction of the Cratchit's Christmas dinner, but what's with Mrs. Cratchit proposing the toast to Scrooge herself? In the novel (and all other film versions), she vehemently opposes such a toast and only very reluctantly agrees because of it being Christmas Day.

This film completely omits the scene at Scrooge's office the morning after Christmas when he gives Bob the raise and instructs him to buy another coal scuttle before he dots another "i" -- my favourite part of the entire story!

I really like Gene Lockhart so feel like a stinker here but am forced to reluctantly agree with jc1206 that he wasn't well cast as Cratchit, just a wee bit too portly for Bob. And yes, the actor playing Tim was simply too old for the role.

However, this film is not without its merits. I thought Leo G. Carroll made a compelling Marley and loved Barry MacKay's cheerful portrayal of Fred. I also especially liked the Spirit of Christmas Present in this movie.

I've concluded that to reap all the benefits of this story, you just have to watch all the traditional film versions every single year! But it's Christmas Eve with Alastair Sim in our household!


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Another point about the 1951 version that I think is pertinent to the psychology of Scrooge is the "hostile takeover" of Fezziwig's business by him and Marley. It's a material example of their early opportunism/corruption, and sets the stage for their progressive separation from humanity.

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There was a complaint on the 1951 Scrooge board that too much of the film was spent on the Past with this scene of the takeover dragging on. While I understand the objections raised and although this event is not described in the book, I do agree, Carolyn, that this nasty business deal by Scrooge & Marley quite compellingly depicts Scrooge's increasingly ruthless materialism. I thought overall it added to the movie.

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Alastair Sim is the best scrooge ever. Overall I prefer the 1951 version.

There are however some things I like better in the 1938 version. Like:
1) Fred
2) Bob Cratchit
3) Ghost of Christmas Past 1938=HOTTY/1951=Old Man

One last thing. How can two movies that are supposed to be based on Dickens novel be so much different?

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