I read that they took some shots from this film and rotoscoped them and put them in Ralph Bakshi's Lord of the Rings. Anyone know anything more about that? I havent seen this one, but im curious to what scene was taken.
sharetheres only one battle scene in Alexander Nevsky, you cant miss it. Being someone who thoroughly enjoyed the lord of the rings films, I think they they did a much better job than Eisenstein did, but I guess without hum they could never have done it!
shareHe doesnt refer to the new LOTR moves by Peter Jackson but the old animated one by Bakshi.
shareEven if we were speaking about the new Lord of the Rings, a movie of today's era in film can in no way be compared to a film from the beginning of the film era. In some ways it can, but respectively, when speaking about the battle, there is much more technology available today that assists filmmakers in what they do. We cannot compare modern techniques in battle staging with old ones.
shareKing Arthur rips off the battle on the ice from Nevsky and it was made very recently so I don't know how accurate that statement is. Better technology doesn't necessarily equal a better or original idea.
shareTrue, in modern filmmaking, 'battle staging' is done almost exclusively digitally.
shareI imagine it depends on how one defines "modern" filmmaking, but both "Braveheart" as well as "Saving Private Ryan" (not simply the opening 20 minute "D-Day Landing" portion, but throughout the film) use large groups of REAL background actors and players and only a few shots that would be virtually impossible to do without Digital Comping: in SPP, there's the shot of the beachfront at D-Day +3 that show a huge amount of Allied Ships offloading supplies along with Barrage Balloons aloft in the sky.
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Scenes from Nevsky were also integrated into Bakshi's "Wizards"
shareBakshi is totally an Alexander Nevsky fan as he referred to in his commentary, which can be played during the Wizards film, saying "Alexander Nevsky lives forever" and also referencing Eisenstein. Yeah, it was also used in Baksi's LOTR (1978). Really awesome battle and characters.
shareThe most obvious rortscoping done by Bakshi from Nevsky was from a shot of the "Battle on the Ice" that shows about three Teutonic knights from the waist up. One bare-faced knight is turning from side-to-side blowing a horn. One of the other kights, in a full helm with a hand-shaped crest, is turning his head from side-to-side as well. The third knight has large horns on his helm. I believe the shot was used in the LOTR film.
shareJust read this of the LOTR triva.
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Im going to make a desperate attempt to revive this five year old thread.
I just discovered that someone uploaded Alexander Nevsky on Youtube and I am currently skimming through it looking for the scene that you describe. It's quite a lenghty film so if you by some freak coincidence should happen to see my post here, and if you by any chance know at which time this scene occurs in the movie I would be incredibly happy if you could tell me.
I know that it is alot to ask and there is a big chance that you won't even see my post but I might as well give it a try.
Thanks in advance!
I know it's been over a year, but I just saw this message today. The scene is when the Teutonic knights are preparing for battle. I'll have a look at the video, which I downloaded from Youtube, to get the time for you.
shareI am wondering if this is something of an urban myth suggesting that Ralph Bakshi directly lifted footage from Aleksandr Nevskiy for his The Lord of the Rings (1978). Having re-watched both films this weekend there is nothing in The Lord of the Rings (1978) that looks to be directly from another film. All of the battle footage - particularly for Helm's Deep - in Bakshi's The Lord of the Rings is obviously entirely original live action film. I noted the scene from Aleksandr Nevskiy that Dr Einstein describes, the one which he believes is also in the Bakshi film (the scene of three Teutonic Knights, one of which is blowing a horn, it appears around 1:10 in AN), but it is nowhere to be found in The Lord of the Rings (1978) as far as I can see. I believe that the best that can be said is that perhaps Bakshi was inspired by AN when filming his version of Helm's Deep, but that he did not directly use the Eisenstein footage. I would be happy to be proved wrong, but it seems incorrect to say AN footage was used directly in the Bakshi fim.
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