This movie sucks


Okay...
I don't actually think this movie SUCKS

I was just trying to get your attention. But I DO believe there are a few problems with it.
Until the end of the film and actually thinking about it, I felt there were tons of parts in this movie that were very poor. Try to contradict me if you well, but:

#1. Something in the movie that I thought that was very essiential for the viewer to know was that it was NORMAN that got Ester to where she was. HE was the one who said she'd be brilliant for a lead and he got her in. So it's sad to think that people in the movie thought he had no signifigance at all, but he had the largest part. FINDING Viki Lester. I was kind of pissed when they never mentioned that, or even Esther said anything about it. You would think she, out of all people, would be angry when people called her husband a nobody. It really is kind of depressing...
If you think about it, he gave up his life and happiness (If he had any to begin with) for her stardom and it really isn't adressed in the movie.
I did love the ending though when she acknowledged him. If she didn't, she would've been some selfish bitch...

#2. Something that kind of angered me about this movie was the ending when Esther's grandmother showed up after Norman died. When Esther was thinking of leaving Hollywood, the grandma said something along the lines of, "I used to be proud that I was the grandmother of Viki Lester...now it seems I have nothing to live for," or something like that. Esther's husband just killed himself and it was probably all because of her and her grandmother has the NERVE to make her feel MORE like *beep* Why not just be PROUD to be her grandmother? Even if Esther was nobody...She was probably intent to be old and wise, but she seemed more self centered to me, like at the end when she talked about HER getting into Hollywood. About it taking HER 60 years to get into Hollywood and for no one to give up. And she didn't even DO anything. It was all ESTHER.

#3. The lack of Danny's character. As soon as I saw him in the beginning, I guessed he would be the love interest, which would've been really refreshing. In a sense the point of why people loved Viki was because she was the every woman. But it's greatly ironic that we get the same old leading guy in this movie, not that it was wrong, but...
The movie seemed to contradict itself.

#4. One thing I was unhappy about was...I guess the fact that I want to become an actress, and it really is NOT that easy. Esther seemed to easily cheat her way into the system, and even before when Danny said she got a waitressing job, she seemed like a spoiled brat and pouted. In that industry it takes YEARS, if not a decade, for you to get a break. She easily got it by dumb luck and I feel if she had to wait at least two years she would've given up because she seemed very naive. People can't just wait for a miracle and it seems this movie tells anyone they can get into the buisness if you just have connections. Connections are huge in the industry, but I believe they aren't the only things that determine how good of an actress you will be or how big of a star you are.

#5. Surely Esther would've known how horribly messed up her husband was. When he interrupted her during her award speech and even slapped her, you would've thought it was a cry for help. Norman seemed desperate for help, and it's not given.

And, well...that's it. I, in the beginning, started to like this movie, but then it just went slowly downhill with it's bad...problems I guess....


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1. It's already sort of apparent that he's on his way out at the party where he meets Esther. While it is true that he was responsible for discovering her, he's also sort of using her to keep himself at the top of the heap. So long as he's dating the newest Hollywood starlet, his name will be in the papers (which seems to be his plan, since he tries to get a lot of girls screen tests). He also seems increasingly resentful that she becomes more famous than him.

2. I think the grandma says that to remind Esther that it isn't all about her, that she has others to think about (such as her fans). The grandma was right in saying that if Esther gave up, then the money would've been wasted because she would have chosen to fail, whereas the grandma still kept going after her own husband was murdered.

3. Danny's basically the prototype for the gay best friend. I too would have loved to have him in more of the movie.

4. It was a lot easier to become a star back then once you got a contract. Since the studios had to pay the actors whether they were working or not and they had to supply their own movie theaters, there were a lot more films that were made, meaning more chances to get a bit part. Also, since stars were more or less exclusive to one studio, there were fewer stars for a studio to choose from, so they had to be replaced more often once the public got bored of them, and why not just pick from within the people who were already forced to work for you at a certain price and couldn't negotiate for a higher salary even though it was a bigger part?

5. He was sent to rehab to sober up and she tried to arrange work for him to keep him occupied. He only fell off the wagon when it was extreme, unforeseeable circumstances.

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#1. Something in the movie that I thought that was very essiential for the viewer to know was that it was NORMAN that got Ester to where she was.
That seemed very obvious to me in all three versions.


#2. Something that kind of angered me about this movie was the ending when Esther's grandmother showed up after Norman died. Grandma Lettie showed she was full of piss and vinegar from the start when she told Esther she was pretty in the past, and then said she was prettier than Esther. She was a prickly old coot so her actions in the end of the film seemed to fit.

#3. The lack of Danny's character.
I agree. He had a good presence and could have been used more. May have been a casuality of a script reduction.

#4. One thing I was unhappy about was...I guess the fact that I want to become an actress, and it really is NOT that easy. Esther seemed to easily cheat her way into the system,
Huh? I think the storyline painted a picture of hopelessness in breaking into the buisness in the standard process and reflected exactly how it happened for many people who made it. It was who you knew and who they knew that got people in, plus a lot of determination and luck. I saw nothing shady in what she did.

#5. Surely Esther would've known how horribly messed up her husband was.
I think the film portrayed Esther as knowing how messed up he was. She was there for him in all the ways she knew how to be. She was leaving her career to be his guardian. In those times, most spouses would leave.

Great screenplay. Some truly hilarious moments in the first half of the film and some clever writing.

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I totally agree with OP's point #2. I really liked Granny at the beginning, that first speech she gave about pioneer life hooked me on viewing the rest of the movie. But her speech at the end was SO wrong!!

Connections are vitally important for success, but not everything. Vicki did owe most of her success to Norman.

BTW, and maybe it's just me, but I find Janet Gaynor extremely unattractive!!!

Norman was seriously messed up before he met Vicki, but like so many Hollywood idols, he continued his destructive substance abuse.
The whole time I watched him, I kept thinking of Charlie Sheen!

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Charlie Sheen ??? Where were the bimbo ex-wives and kids ? Robert Downey.Jr. would probably be closer. Luckily he married a woman (NOT an actress) who was able to help him straighten up and fly right.

In 1937 the signs of depression and suicide, especially for men were not widely known and Esther was a simple country girl so she would have been the last one to notice, no matter how much she loved Norman. In fact, that love only blinded her to the seriousness of his problems. And apparently, rehab was just as useless back then as it is today.

I cannot help but wonder if Esther's grandmother had come to visit sooner, if she would have been able to help Norman.

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