Cary and Randolph's Rings

no i didnt, but i will be looking out for it next viewing. its one of those stories that wont go away isnt it? being married in those days was no gurantee either that you werent.

Why are so many people happy to believe the stories about Loretta Young (allegedly servicing whole teams of USC and/or UCLA athletes); Joan Crawford (proudly carrying her reputation for being first in line to welcome actors new to manhood or to Hollywood, including the 16-year-old Jackie Cooper; later in her career, cruising up the PCH in her flashy convertible, picking up "rough trade"); and other actresses. Since poor Rock Hudson died of AIDS, few remain in denial about his sexuality. The same is true even of good old flaming Liberace. But many still can't accept the notion that romantic Hollywood icon Cary Grant and manly cowboy star Randolph Scott might have been physically intimate, despite the fact they lived together in "bachelor paradise" for years. I don't know or care what they did or did not do together. I've often thought that if all gay people (and bisexuals) simultaneously revealed themselves publicly, the rest of the population could finally grow up -- after getting past the shock, of course.

After reading your post while watching the movie that I previously taped/DVR-ed, I did notice both men's pinky rings during the courtroom scene at the end ... when Randolph Scott leaned against the counter in front of the judge's bench and also later when Cary Grant was holding a handkerchief to his bloodied nose. Who knows if it means anything, but it's an interesting point.

Right, but I'm going to guess that even though it's fine if Randolph and Cary went together, chances are that they didn't because those most likely represent School, Sport or Club rings more than anything because when we were discussing this on Randolph's board, someone suggests that these are not romantic rings because her grandfather wore one.

That's enough proof right there to indicate that these two were only great friends and roommates, and more proof lies in the fact that they both denied romance and married females and avoided the viscious press for starting rumors. This lady's grandfather had grandchildren, right?

It would be rather implausible to get the idea that those two would wear each other's together rings on film after going though all of that trouble to keep denying rumoros and marrying females and fighting over the wonderful Irene in the presence of the lovely Gail.

But if it were the case that they actually did like each other, then that is fine with me and probably Irene and Gail, too, because Randolph and Cary are both great and the extra temptation would only serve to prove them far better actors than even good fans can imagine.

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You can see, in long shots, the details of small pinkie rings, well enough to determine that they're identical? Man, I wish I had your eyesight! I'm not denying that Grant and Scott were longtime lovers, since all evidence points to it, but I think it's absurd that your imagination is drifting so far as to be able to spot their rings as matching. Especially since Grant in particular was so paranoid about being outed, as late as the 1980s.

I was watching this movie for the first time in years (since having many gay friends and growing accustomed to seeing them in couples). The scene where Cary Grant/Nick is drying the perspiration from his forehead as he watches Randolph Scott ("Jonny Weismuller") on the trapeze and diving into the pool threw me! It was NOT the "Adam" and "Eve" on a desert isle I'd expect a husband to grow obsessed about, it's Randolph Scott on the trapeze he can't get out of his mind back at the office!

Googling it, I immediately found a beautiful story about the 2 in a silly named website http://www.homohistory.com/2013/07/cary-grant-and-randolph-scott-hollywood.html with photos of the 2....they were a devoted couple--you can see the attraction and affection in the photos. Like any married couples of longstanding, these men look like they belong together. Unlike roommates, they SHARE their home. Grant had lived for several years with another uncloseted gay man before Scott, whom he lived with for 12 years beginning in 1932. So it was not just a one-time happenstance (which 12 vyears disproves as well)--and they were friends all their lives, seen out together, and holding hands in a restaurant much later... His marriages were in response to studio pressure. As were the later stories of the Bachelor Beachhouse. Mr. Blackwell, who lived with them for a time there reports they were a loving open couple in private.

There was one woman who was a close friend of Grant's, and publicly said to be close to becoming the next "Mres. Grant." She did not think he could have been gay, and cites as her reasoning, that "he'd pick her up on Sundays and take her out to the beachhouse for parties..." I hate to say the obvious, but when you are in a relationship with a man who wants to marry you, yolu wake up at the beachhouse WITH him on Sunday morning, and you host the parties WITH him, not as a guest... He was enjoying his weekends with his partner and friends they had in common, and then having parties afterward, on Sundays, for the others in his life. She spoke of how large the beachhouse was, so both men could live there apart--I lived 3 blocks from there for 10 years and nothing there was large--the photos show what cozy rooms those homes had (many years ago the city stopped allowing private individuals from having homes on Santa Monica beaches--there are just too many people and such limited ocean front. In fact, decades passed before some very ritzy hotel/restaurant/spa businesses were allowed to build.

And the story of the days spent filming those pool scenes at the Huntington Hotel confirms they were a couple, not just roommates. When they arrived at the Hotel, together, they took just one room, and spent the time there openly as an affectionate couple, uninhibited, unashamed. Crew members apparently were surprised by their refusal to hide their relationship.

The fact they were open in front of cast and crew made it all the more obvious that the inside humor of the movie was intentiona--the inability of former circus acrobat Cary Grant to get Randolph Scott on a trapeze out of his head in the office, and wiping perspiration from his brow the first time he sees him on the trapeze and diving into the pool. And when the judge declares Ellen alive, Nick and Bianca's marriage annulled, and Nick free to remarry Ellen, the judge says to Nick, "I don't know what you'll be doing with him, though..." And he wags his thumb at Steven (Scott). LOL