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did adam and eve(ellen} behave?


hallo, do u think adam and ellen as 'eve" 'behaved' themselves whilst they were on that island for years and years? being a rather old fashioned sort of fellow i would like to think so but i know adam was in love with ellen and i daresay she had some fondness for him as well. further if i were adam i would want the ravishing ellen to return my affection for her!

cheers.

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Well, Adam did want her to come back with him...I don't think they did. Honestly, if you were deserted on an island with Randolph Scott for 7 years, would you remain innocent? I know I wouldn't!

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but when adam did offer for those two to go back to the island Ellen said that she "waited 7 years for her husband" and she wasnt going to "give up after 3 days."

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I think that considering the era in which this film was made and censorship, they made it pretty clear that something did happen but that he forgave her anyway. One thing that hasn't changed over the years is human nature and being stuck on an island for seven years with little to no hope of rescue, you'd have to imagine a couple of saints to believe that nothing happened. And they did not strike me as saints. They probably figured that if they did get rescued - whatever happens on the island stays on the island.

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Agreed. No way did they hold out for seven years in those circumstances. That was the censorship talking.

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I generally agree that they probably wouldn't have held out for 7 years!

...But then again, if I had to choose between Randolph Scott and Cary Grant, I might be inclined to wait rather a long time to get my hands on Grant! ;-)

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The movie clearly states that nothing happened between them. In the real world they would have been found with a couple of kids running around.

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mln-11 wrote:

The movie clearly states that nothing happened between them.
I do not remember that at all. Can you tell me where "the movie clearly states that nothing happened between them." Individual characters with an incentive to lie said that, but that is not at all the same thing as the movie showing us that nothing happened.
In the real world they would have been found with a couple of kids running around.
Not necessarily if they restricted vaginal intercourse to the time of the month in which a woman is extremely unlikely to become pregnant and engaged in sexual acts that cannot result in pregnancy the rest of the time.

I have to believe that Burkett and Ellen called themselves Adam and Eve because they saw themselves in a state of nature, i.e. before there were social conventions about right and wrong.

It is even less likely that Nick did not have sex with women in the seven years. He knew that his wife was dead, and he would've mourned her, but he would have more or less gotten over her and moved on. Because there was no body, he could not get married for seven years, but he had no reason to be celibate.

I suspect that one reason Nick has so much trouble telling Bianca that his wife has returned is that he has been having sex with her based on the promise that he will marry her as soon as he is legally able to do so.

It is easy to understand why Nick does not want to explain that to Ellen, or to deal with Bianca's reaction if that is the case.


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Go the the scene in the "Pacific Club" by the pool right after Steven comes to Nick and Ellen's table, and Nick invites Steven to join them for lunch. Elen tells Steven that Nick has rem arried, and Steven is thrilled. He says it's great, now he can ask Ellen to marry him! He says she is the greatest this and that, and the greatest playmate. BUT then he says "If it matters to you, Nick, Ellen and I did nothing to feel any need to reproach ourselves for in the 7 years we were on the island." (I may have a word or 2 off but that's what he says.)

It's funny how many people read sex into their relationship while the words are the opposite, although kind of stilted. When you pay close attention, there is no sex between the opposite sexes but lots of innuendo directed at the real couple offscreen, Cary Grant and Randolph Scott, who had been living together since 1932, and who shared a room at the hotel where the pool scene was filmed and were very open about their relationship while there.

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cyninbend-149-610489 wrote:

It's funny how many people read sex into their relationship while the words are the opposite
Many people read sex into the situation because they are aware of human nature.
but lots of innuendo directed at the real couple offscreen, Cary Grant and Randolph Scott,
That is quite interesting, but it turns it into a completely different movie.There is no reason why you cannot have heterosexual sex where it would've occurred, beyond any question, in real life, and also be aware of the ironies in the homosexual subtext.

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Of course they behaved because that is the movie they made. Mickey Mouse and Minnie are purely platonic. 'Uncle' Donald really is Huey, Dewey, and Louie's uncle.
In the real world Dunne would have had a 3rd degree tan and seven years of leg stubble. Or was she really playing poker at the NYAC with Jerry Warriner for those seven years?

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joes119-1 wrote:

Of course they behaved because that is the movie they made.
Nonsense. They made a movie in which we have no information about what happened on the island except what they say, and they both have an incentive to lie.

They made a movie in which Burkett and Ellen called each other Adam and Eve. Nick certainly thinks that's a clue. He is right, and it does not require a lot of sophistication to understand the implications.
Mickey Mouse and Minnie are purely platonic. 'Uncle' Donald really is Huey, Dewey, and Louie's uncle.
As in so many of your posts, you make no sense at all. What do cartoon characters have to do with it.
In the real world Dunne would have had a 3rd degree tan and seven years of leg stubble.
Are you saying that because the movie did not add that touch of realism, that the movie has to have been grossly unrealistic about human nature in regard to sex?

Do you also think that Nick has not been sleeping with Bianca? Do you think that he has been celibate for seven years even though his wife is dead? He has to wait for seven years to remarry, but he has no reason to wait seven years before having sex.

Obviously you can believe whatever you want to; you always do. But they did not make a movie in which "they behaved." They made a movie in which there was enough ambiguity about it that it got by the censors.

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