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What happened to the girl that night?


Excellent movie! But did I miss something? (I might have been distracted for a second or two.) The 17-year-old grand-daughter went out with a 35-year-old man and didn't come home all night - the parents and grandmother were beside themselves. Then all I caught was that some time later the father comforted the mother by reminding her that whatever happened was kept out of the newspapers. Other than that, I heard no other reference to the incident, so it couldn't have been too tragic - not rape or pregnancy or drugs. Keeping it out of the newspapers suggests something like underage drinking or a police raid on a night club. Did anyone else pick up on what's supposed to have happened?

I'm probably the only one who was a little annoyed by the mannerisms of the actor playing the old man - something in the voice dying away, and his shuffle. I've seen him use them in other roles. I found them just a touch hokey, exaggerated in their folksiness.

I choked up in the finals scene.

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I though that maybe the boy friend's wife got wind of what was going on, but I like the night club raid angle you came up with.

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It wasn't uncommon for stories of missing teenaged girls to make the local papers, only to discover that they had spent the night or tried to elope with their BFs. One did not have to be a wacky heiress or actress to become notorious for causing a scandal.
This actually happened to the mother-in-law of someone I knew. This was back in the 1940s. It was reported that she had disappeared for some time, only to have been found in the company of her (older) boyfriend. They ended up "having to get married" shortly thereafter. She had to drop out of high school. Their first child was born several months later. They had more children and DID stay married until he died, anyway.

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My guess is that whatever transpired was deliberately left to the viewer to fill in whichever blanks they wished - perhaps the older man took her for an "overnight" in Atlantic City, which would have been a violation of the Mann act - but it really didn't matter what the details were, which I consider to be reflective of the level of sophistication of the film, and its respect for that of audiences.

There was some pretty ahead-of-its-time stuff in this picture, both stylistically and thematically; for example, the attitudes of the grown children (you could certainly understand their points of view and priorities) and the willingness of the screenwriters to make the parents less-than-completely sympathetic characters, at least to the point of displaying the mother's passive-aggressive tendencies and the father's stubbornness.

Victor Moore's mannerisms were probably one of those things viewers either liked or didn't; they were constant throughout his work, and were part of his persona, much in the same way that Woody Allen is always who he is in each of his pictures. I thought this was among Moore's - as well as Bondi's - finest work.

Another guess: one would have to be either heartless, callous or simply have to make a conscious effort not to become choked up at the final scene. I don't think this was done simply to emotionally manipulate the audience; rather to reinforce the message, which would have been diluted had there been a last-minute tying up of all loose ends in a "happy ever after" resolution.


Poe! You are...avenged!

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^ Agree with this. It isn't really important for us to know what went on, because this isn't the granddaugter's story, and if we got too bogged down in her life it would be a distraction. Leaving it ambiguous is just one of the many brilliant things about the MWFT screenplay.

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Very well put.


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One the best comments I've ever read on IMDB. Well done.

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I'm unpardonably late in thanking you for those kind words, which are so much appreciated.

But reviewing my earlier comment provided the opportunity to make a small edit, clearing up some garbled syntax, so I'm grateful for that, too.


Poe! You are...avenged!

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I assumed they just got caught having sex. Remember she's 17 and in those days for any unmarried female, much less 17, to be known to have had sex was considered a huge scandalous dishonor to not just her, but her whole family. It seems incredibly stupid and doesn't make any sense by today's mores, but that was 1937 and that's the way it was. But also because it was 1937 they couldn't just directly say that in the movie.

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My guess (after just seeing the movie, which is a truly great tear jerker that still packs a punch) is that her 35 year old bf was married. There's a scene just before we see Mom and Grandma talking about her not coming home, of what appears to be a hotel room with 2 unmade beds, and a woman's night gown? thrown across one of them. The implication is that she stayed in the hotel room with him that night. Later on when the mother is talking to her hubby I believe he mentions that Mrs. So and So is keeping Rhoda's name out of it - I'm assuming some divorce action. Rhoda was what we used to call a tramp ;)

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I agree with Steffi. The details of what the granddaughter did are irrelevant. The incident just makes the point that her parents have been distracted from raising her properly by their attentions to grandma.

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The directors real concern was the separation of the grandparents, not the indiscretion of the frisky granddaughter

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I think you are right! You are very observant.

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I think shoolaroon has it just right: her 35-year-old boyfriend was married. And Rhoda wasn't going to named correspondent in a scandalous divorce action.

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But I think Rhoda was like that before Grandma ever came on the scene.

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I think the bedroom with the twin beds was Rhoda's room, which she was sharing with grandma. Grandma's bed had been slept in -- Rhoda's hadn't.

Nellie had blinders on if she thought that Rhoda started misbehaving only when grandma came, and only because she couldn't entertain her friends at home.



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You have to remember this is before No-Fault divorce was legal. In order to get a divorce, you had to prove your Spouse was "at fault". There had to be Proof that they were cheating on you, or were beating you excessively when you didn't deserve it. (Their views on right & wrong are much different than the morals of today.) This was when all wedding vows had the man promise to cherish his wife, and the wife promised to obey her husband. So spousal abuse was often harder to prove than adultery. That Rhonda was kept out of the trial (and thus, the papers) was a blessing to the family.

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"No-Fault" divorce STILL has to be agreed upon by both parties. Otherwise, evidence of adultery, habitual drunkenness, desertion, etc must be proven.
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I actually read a book about films of this time period, and the original script for this movie made it very clear that the girl spent the night with a married man in a hotel room and the next day, the wife called and threatened to release the story to the papers (thereby ruining the girls reputation). At that time, films were carefully censored to ensure there was no 'loose sex' or 'adultery' going on.

The censors disallowed adultery in the sense that you couldn't come out and say 'This young girl had sex sex with a married man', so it was all rendered rather elliptically. Frankly, I had to watch the movie a few times to figure out what exactly was said during the phone call that the grandmother took (it was from the mans wife)

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