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I disagree about the race issue...


True... Luise Rainer was under contract to MGM.

True... Anna May Wong was under contract to Paramount.

A little more than a decade before this film was made, Anna May Wong made a movie for MGM, because they wanted an "ORIENTAL" to play the Mongol slave in The Thief of Bagdad. And she was under contract to another studio at that time.

Anna May Wong fought very hard to get this part. She was so exasperated afterwards that she quit acting for a couple of years and visited China to find out what it was really like.

Anyway, I think that racism was the motive for not hiring Anna May Wong in this movie, not contracts.

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Ummm, no loyaltubist

You see race was an issue. The producer of the film Irving Thalberg's main goal was to get Chiense actors. Anna Mae Wong wanted the role of O-Lan very bad but he did not care. I was reading Anna Mae Wong's Bio, she basically poured her heart out to the guy and he just blew her off. He ended up using white actors.

His Lame Excuse: HE COULDNT FIND A SUITABLE CHIENSE TO PLAY A CHIENSE WOMAN!

MGM was a racist studio. They treated Anna Mae like dirt. She was one of those loan out actresses. MGM put white women up on a pedstal, and stabbed every single minority actress in the back.

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A little more than a decade before this film was made, Anna May Wong made a movie for MGM, because they wanted an "ORIENTAL" to play the Mongol slave in The Thief of Bagdad. And she was under contract to another studio at that time.

THE THIEF OF BAGDAD from 1924, was actually a United Artists / Douglas Fairbanks Pictures release. And Anna May, as the Mogul slave, certainly stole a lot of the scenes, making the lead actress in that movie, Julie Johnson, seem almost invisible.

And while you had some actors of Chinese descent getting cast in the supporting roles, like Keye Luke (later of T.V.s KUNG FU fame), it is truly ashamed Anna did not get the lead part, as this was tailor made for her. I don't have all of the facts that perhaps race played a part, but I wouldn't put anything past it.

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THE THIEF OF BAGDAD from 1924, was actually a United Artists / Douglas Fairbanks Pictures release. And Anna May, as the Mogul slave, certainly stole a lot of the scenes, making the lead actress in that movie, Julie Johnson, seem almost invisible.

Agreed. Anna shows real star power in that film, a completely magnetic onscreen presence.

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No sane person is a pacifist if someone (or something) he loves is threatened.


Every studio was racist. Name one studio which wasn't racist.... YOU CAN'T!!!

MGM wasn't run by Irving Thalberg... It was run by Louis B. Mayer. Even if Anna May Wong weren't Chinese, I don't think L.B. would like her. She was much too independent to even be a loaner from Paramount. Think of what Mayer did to Judy Garland. I blame him for her drug overdose thirty years after he employed her. When you went to work for L.B. Mayer, you were owned by him. Those who were loaned by other studios to be in other MGM films often mentioned that.

Anna May Wong's life was no bed of roses either. She was both a chain smoker and a heavy drinker. She probably wouldn't have lived as long as she did had she taken that job.

Yes, I know she poured her heart out to get a part for that movie. She was so distraught by not being in this movie that she made several changes in her life.

It is difficult to think the way a 1930s person would think as a person living in the 21st century.

And I do wish you would learn to spell.

Bill

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Yes, Louis B. Mayer, unlike his contemporaries Jack Warner and Darryl Zanuck, was more of a dictator than a movie mogul. Another tid bit of his - on the advice and consent of his good friend, William Randolph Hearst, Mayer tried to destroy every single copy of CITIZEN KANE. He really was a bully, but in the late 1940s, he was eventually kicked out of his position for good.

Anna May Wong's life was no bed of roses either. She was both a chain smoker and a heavy drinker. She probably wouldn't have lived as long as she did had she taken that job.

I saw a great mystery movie not too long ago called IMPACT (1949), with Brian Donlevy, as a business man who has been framed for murder by his cheating wife. The only person able to clear Donlevy was their housekeeper, played by Anna May Wong. Though by 1949, Anna May was in her mid forties, she really looked a lot older, and I'm guessing it was that lifestyle of hers that was indeed taking it's toll.

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Are you kidding me?? ALL the Hollywood moguls laid, relayed, and parlayed their actresses! Why do you think Bette Davis left Warners??

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Yes, but Meyer was more than that, bullying many outside of his own jurisdiction. That is why I brought up the whole CITIZEN KANE issue. And eventually, he would be dethroned from his powerful position. The same was not true of Darryl Zanick or Jack Warner.

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When the Good Earth was made the US Government told the studios that Japanese Actors were not allowed to work in the movie industry. If they had used Japanese the movie would not have been released and the studio may have been shut down. In a very shrot time the Japanese Americans were going to be moved to California concentration camps for the duration of WWII. The studio's excuse of not having enough Chinese actors to play all the parts is very debatable.

However, the late 30's was a different time and cannot be interperatured in today's culture. Race issues need to be interperatured at the time the incident took place. The Good Earth is an excellent movie and should be view for what is. A work of art.

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DO you actually have a source for your "facts" or do you just make them up as you go along?

Internment of Japanese didn't begin until 1942, AFTER Pearl Harbor, and FIVE YEARS after this film was released!

I seriously doubt that the federal government made ANY such decree about Japanese actors. Even 75 years ago, we, the people of the United States, had a little piece of paper known as the Constitution. Yes, at times we have been known to push the envelope on Constitutional rights, sometimes past the breaking point. And indeed, we've been known to suspend parts of it during wartime and other emergencies. But there was no war for America in 1937, and suspending the rights of Japanese to find work would have raised quite a ruckus... yes, EVEN in those horrible, dark, unenlightened days of 1937!

What is apparently the truth, (which I only learned from reading other messages here), is that the Chinese government, not the American one, effectively vetoed the possibility of actors of Japanese descent participating in this movie.

Gawwd, please do a little research before you make claims like these!

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Hi djrosenblatt,

I think there is a great deal of misinformation about Hollywod and race but this whole discussion about Japanese actors is unbelievable.

I'm five years late getting into the discussion but in Section II of the production code under sex, section 6 which prohibited miscegenation of the races (specifically black and white in the code but also used with Asians), studios were prohibited in using actors of color. Anna Mae Wong had worked opposite white actors prior to the code being inforced, see her work in Shanghai Express, but was used in the same roles after the code went into effect. She wrote that the minute Paul Muni was cast, she knew she wouldn't have a chance to act in The Good Earth.

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OK, first of all, I think we agree that if such rules were in effect, this was Hollywood promulgating them - not the U.S. government (as was claimed by john-4316)!

Secondly, I don't think you meant it when you wrote "studios were prohibited in using actors of color", right? What you meant is that you couldn't have an actor of one race playing the lover or spouse of an actor of another.

But I wonder whether the miscegenation rule would have applied in this case (to Anna Mae Wong)? Paul Muni's character was Chinese, so I wonder whether it was the race of the actor, or of his/her character, that mattered. It would be interesting to see the rule.


Badgers? We don't need no stinkin' badgers! But if you could show us something in a nice possum...

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Hi djrosenblatt,

Sorry about that, I thought I was clear about the miscegenation clause. They could not be cast as the love or erotic interest of white actors. The clause specifically mentions white and black but according to people who studied the effects of the code, it affected Asian actors too. Wong herself wrote that when she read Muni was cast, she realized she wouldn't be considered for the lead role. She had worked opposite white actors in her silent films and early talkies and went to Europe where she was offered a wider range of roles.

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This was in 1937 - give me a break - Chinese actress or not this is a wonderful movie.

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I don't doubt there was racism in Hollywood... then and now... why should it be any better than the general population?
But for casting of 'white' actors in ethnic parts I think the bottom line is and always has been money. Hollywood will cast the actors that will draw in audiences. Putting butts in the seats trumps ALL other concerns.
I really doubt audiences at the time would have turned (in sufficient numbers) to see an all Asian cast performing Buck's novel.
Ms. Wong might be been well known... but would audiences have accepted her as the lead?
Really, I think it's the racism of the audience... and the general monetary concerns of having big name actors in the lead roles... that drives a lot of what we now see as questionable casting decisions.

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But for casting of 'white' actors in ethnic parts I think the bottom line is and always has been money. Hollywood will cast the actors that will draw in audiences. Putting butts in the seats trumps ALL other concerns.
Bingo. The casting of whites in Asian roles looks ridiculous (not to mention offensive) today but the practice was unfortunately common at the time, and already had a long lineage (note white Richard Barthelmess being cast as the sympathetic Chinese man opposite abused Lillian Gish in "Broken Blossoms" (1919).

"The Good Earth" was what was known as a "prestige" production. I don't know where Buck's novel ranks on the list of 1930s bestsellers -- I assume Margaret Mitchell's "Gone With the Wind" was No. 1 but Buck's "The Good Earth" couldn't have been too far down the ladder. Muni had been Oscar-nominated 3 of the previous 4 years and won in 1936 for "The Story of Louis Pasteur." Rainer was fresh off her 1936 win for "The Great Ziegfeld." This was an eagerly anticipated movie and anyone who thinks MGM would have cast unknown actors in a vague hope of looking good to the more enlightened sensibilities of 2015 is just plain crazy. MGM sank a lot of money into it, they were going to use box-office stars, or at the very least ones who got good reviews (remember, "prestige picture") to play the key roles. Facts of life.

It's not a proud chapter in our moviemaking history, but come on. How much energy do people think today's filmmakers put into how people may look at the world in 2093?

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