A BIG Question!


There's a sign behind the counter in the restaurant that reads: Tipping is Un-American. Save your change.

Can anybody tell me what the heck this means? I thought it extremely interesting.

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I thought it was interesting too, although Gabrielle refers to it when she gives Alan some money, knowing that he hasn't paid her, and calls it his change - probably for the benefit of anyone listening. He plays along, telling her to keep the change, but she insists he keeps the money - referring to the sign by telling him that tipping is un-American. A possible reason could be that the sign was a reference to the era's depression - knowing that money was tight for people and so seeing the sign didn't make them feel awkward about not giving a tip. Just a thought!

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I can't get that line out of my head still.

I've been thinking about it and maybe what it is is that old American pride thing so prevelant in that era. Perhaps Americans, true Americans take pride in what they do - without the allure of a tip.

Anything less would be un-American.

Boy, those were the days!

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I'm thinking it's a Depression-era thing, with two purposes:

-So that people who can afford a meal but not a tip will come out and eat.

-So that people who can't afford a tip won't feel ashamed and not enjoy themselves.

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I, too, was fixated on this sign. What a symbol of a different time in America. If I had a customer service-related business today, I'd put that sign up. It says to me, "In America (at least), service is your right as my customer, not an opportunity to squeeze more of your hard earned money."

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Well said and I agree.

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In The Palm Beach Story Rudy Vallee's character says, "Tipping is un-American" in one scene...

Dire_Straits
lover of all B&W; especially film-noir

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The country used to be much more populist. So in some circles it was considered elitist to tip. Most couldn't tip and one that would in mixed class company would appear to be showing up those around. So a business that showed such a sign was probably trying to show its identity with the common man.

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I think Americans saw tipping as a form of begging.
So please don't insult your server by assuming that he is begging for extra than what is asked for.

BTW - I don't see this as a BIG question as you put in the subject line. A BIG question might be - will they ever remake this movie? -heh

Ron.

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I love the discussion on tipping during the opening scene of the movie "Reservoir Dogs".

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I showed that scene to a group of strippers, waitresses, and bartenders. They were NOT amused.

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There's a big flaw in Mr. Pink's argument. He says "They make mininmum wage." They don't. Waitresses get paid 3 bucks/hour, so they live off tips and Mr. Pink is an ignorant prick.

As of the movie, the sign I was focused on was "Beer - 10c". Damn.

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"Beer - 10c". Damn.

Not shocking at all. I remember 25 cent pitcher night back in 1974.

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The tip line is an analogy to the current trend with communist rhetoric during the 30's depression. Communism and socialism was considered " un-american " and tipping ( or giving away money ) is meant to parrallel this.

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It is a pride thing. America back then, especially during the Depression, took pride in working hard and didn't expect any reward for hard work (tipping) because people did not have the extra money to tip, nor did they expect it (immense pride).

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I suspect that they HAD to work hard back then, if they didn't there were 50 people ready to do their job - pride didn't come into it, fear of unemployment and starvation did!

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The owners of the joint are afraid that if the customers are expected to tip, they might not be able to afford to eat there. It's the main reason McDonalds employees are not allowed to accept tips. The management wants all the money for themselves. Every penny spent on a tip is a penny that could go to the management! Saying that tipping is Un-American is just their excuse.

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Where did you get that idea?

NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER has it ever been written that McDonald's employees are not allowed to accept tips. Only a pea-brained liberal would even think up such a thing.
If a customer chooses to give some of his OWN money to a server at McDonald's that is his right to do so. No company (or government agency) has the right to tell a customer what he can do with his own money. (Liberals believe that they have the right to dictate where everyone spend there money. In fact they believe that all money and propery should be controlled by the government, as long as the government is controlled by them)

In fact, several years ago I read an article that SPECIFICALLY stated that McDonald's DOES NOT prohibit tipping, only they do not have a system for it. (Chances are dualkubota is unable to read)
McDonald's does not ban tipping, but it will not permit those tacky tip jars at the counter that you see that some pizza places and the like, and rightfully so. However if someone chooses to give EXTRA money to a server, the management will do nothing to prevent it.

(Of course, no liberal would ever be generous enought to give extra money. However they do insist that the employers have to pay more and more and more and more, but the liberals would never pay themselves)

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I think everyone's explanations are good and valid ones. It also occurs to me that if Gabby was the only waitress and her father owned the diner, wouldn't tipping her be like tipping the owner? Just a thought.

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I asked my mother (who will soon turn 81) about this. She recalled seeing "Tipping is un-American" signs in some diners, and some coffee shops. Maybe it depended on the type of clientele, or the type of neighborhood. She worked as a waitress at a diner in Queens for a few months in 1946 and did receive tips. Getting a 25-cent tip on a $2 order was a big deal!

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At that time in America, it was felt tipping was along the line of graft. Pay offs. Too European for us-then. You did your best at your job and were paid for the job. It was an honor thing.
caymandj

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>...You did your best at your job and were paid for the job. It was an honor thing.<

I think it's ridiculous for restaurants to assume it's ok to add an "18% gratuity" for large parties. You give good service, ok to tip. Bad service, don't even think you will be tipped and i might just also inform the manager.

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(Liberals believe that they have the right to dictate where everyone spend there money. In fact they believe that all money and propery should be controlled by the government, as long as the government is controlled by them)


Yeah, your actual statement to the topic was good minus your personal bias. But when you spout stuff like this you seem incredibly ignorant towards MODERN politics. Which is obviously where you're pulling that statement from despite it being untrue for MOST liberals, even today let alone 74 years ago. you went too extreme. Even an idiot wouldn't think these Southern Characters were modern liberals and that's why they had that sign way back then. You can argue all you want with me, you're just plain wrong if you want to play that card.

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From what I understand many people thought tipping to be un-American back in those days. There are references to this in many other films, on other example is The Palm Beach Story.

Somebody here has been drinking and I'm sad to say it ain't me - Allan Francis Doyle

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