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Why was this movie such a flop?


Though well mounted and well directed by John Ford with big stars, this movie was such a flop at the box office it earned Katharine Hepburn the nickname in the movie industry "box office poison." I thought it was very entertaining, not a great one, but a very good one. Theories about why it flopped in 1936?
Mine as follows:

1) The portrayal of Elizabeth as a cold, vicious villian conflicted with the "Good Queen Bess" image most people retain from folk memory.

2) The portrayal of John Knox as a wild-eyed, power-mad lunatic gravely offended Presbyterians. They revere his memory as Catholics revere the Pope, and they represent a major segment of the population in in the USA, England, and Scotland.

3) Katharine Hepburn was a great actress, but she had all the sex appeal of a carrot.

He maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good... St. Matthew 5:45

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I personally consider this movie to be packed with way too many overblown speeches and too much artificial sounding talking, which leaves it feeling decidedly like a forced, manufactured history lesson, and like most of the actors/actresses are just spouting obviously scripted lines (and typically far too dramatically). Except for being taken with the exceptional and believable performances by Katherine Hepburn as Mary, and Douglas Walton as Darnley, and the beautiful strong visual appeal of the film, I just didn't find myself caring, or being interested, on any other level. For me, the 124 minutes felt excruciatingly long. Mary and Darnley were the only two characters I found myself at all caring about or wanting to see anything of. As "entertainment," this movie is, for me, sorely lacking. I'm guessing that audiences in 1936 felt similarly.

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Hepburn was never more luminous but Walton as Darnley? He was overplaying in pantomine villain style. The revelation to me was March as Boswell; not the acting, but simply his screen presence. In fact, watching it, I didn't realise it was March as I'd only seen him in a couple of other films; now I can see why he was such a big star in the 1930s.

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I'm not at all a fan of Katharine Hepburn, so this is coming from there - I'm a 'run the gamut of emotions from a to b' types.

I think the big reason is Hepburn never had much appeal to the masses. Not a lot of people are going to go out of their way to watch a Kate Hepburn movie in 1936

I started to rewatch last night and fell asleep about 1/2 hour into the movie. I appreciate movies that can lullaby me to sleep.

I was awake and aware enough to note this is from a stage play and it does look stiff, stagey, artificial, boring.

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You might credit Dorothy Parker with her "run the gamut of emotions from a to b"
comment on Katharine Hepburn's acting.

I'm a huge fan and she thoroughly deserved her four Oscars but some of the films after her first Oscar for Morning Glory and the films she made with Cary Grant that saw a rise in her fortunes (Holiday/Bringing Up Baby/Philadelphia Story) were a bit starchy.

Sadly I can't disagree with your final sentence. It's thoroughly dry and overlong. Maybe the material was beyond saving but I think that Hepburn was right and that Cukor would have done better with it.

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I watched this as part of a John Ford box set. Either on one of the disk extras, or somewhere I the net, I learned that Ford wasn't thrilled about working on this movie, and in fact allowed Hepburn to direct at least one scene. I'm not sure how much an interested and involved Ford might have added to it. I'm a big fan of John Ford but I've heard enough stories about how difficult he was to believe the reports. Have to agree with Hepburn here - Cukor really couldn't have done worse.

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My own criticism of Mary of Scotland was its length. Upon reflection reducing its run time may have been warranted. Though Hepburn's performance was great, she held her own. Makes one wonder why she was given the label 'box office poison'.

"I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not".

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I read a snipe made towards Hepburn by John Carradine and on her tendency to upstage her co-actors. Kind of funny because in their scenes together, he seemed like an upstager.

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Typical for intellectually and morally bankrupt and corrupt Hollywood, e.g. Inherit the Wind, this is an utterly disgusting and dishonest complete rewriting of history so as to be unrecognizable to those who've studied what actually took place, as difficult as that often is to puzzle out and surmise considering history's usually written by the winners trumpeting their agenda in full force far ahead of the truth; they've sadly substituted modernist vile, puerile notions of religion for the robust faith that Mary & Knox actually believed, even Mary's evil papist errors likely being more godly than today's lunatic obscenities on every side loudly demanding a return to the preChristian barbarism of sodomy & infanticide while stupidly and insanely pretending and claiming these ancient evils are something new in order to gain $ sex & power. Ironically the delusional modernist '30s (& even before, even back to evil useful idiot Darwin (a deluded plagiarist apostate bigot fraud clergyman extensively exposed @ www.creation.com) & his day) notions put in the mouths of both Mary/Hepburn and Knox/Olsen are words they themselves would have condemned as evil and the whole scenario of intrigues is similarly compromised. Modern laughable notions of history (e.g. "The History Channel") are about making $ for the authors, the accomplishment of which requires schmoozing the readers, not even attempting truth or reality, and thus usually caring little to nothing for anything even remotely approaching the truth or reality.

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It's understandable that in an age following the corrupt lawlessness of "the roaring '20s" they'd be daft enough to produce this imagination that the casual banter between Mary & Rizzio even would be possible in a royal court with courtly manners (not to pretend that great evils didn't go on behind closed doors), but it only goes to show how incompetent a portrayal this actually was, though a number of the actors well show forth their mettle if one discounts the gross and monstrous historical anachronisms and outright errors.

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russedav:

Excellent rant!!! In the future try not to keep all that pent up for so long. It could be harmful to your health. The Christian world view is quite refreshing.

He maketh His sun to rise on the evil and on the good... St. Matthew 5:45

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You must be so exhausted from all your hating and mistrusting. And what Mary and Darwin have to do with each other eludes me. Ah well, I'm an "evil papist mistake" so I guess I just don't get it.

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If ever a movie cried for color, it's this one.
I'm sure it would have been incredible if made in color.
Otherwise, it simply looks like another b/w historical piece.

Don't get me wrong, I love b/w movies. Always have -- but this one, with all its magnificent set pieces, needed color!

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Katharine seemed miscast to me. And the American accents her and Ian Keith spoke in probably didn't help.

I agree that color would improve things, but sadly will most likely never happen.

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Katharine Hepburn strikes me as a little too 'take charge' and forceful to make a good Mary, Queen of Scots. But the whole movie shows it's stage roots, between the half-empty stage sets and the lengthy speeches. Not to mention, the chunks of explanation that seem to have been eliminated, that unless you came in knowing about the history, you'd have no idea of who some of the people are, or what they're up to. Easier now, when there are several versions of the Mary/Elizabeth conflict to fill in the gaps, but I imagine that when it first came out people left the theater shaking their heads. Although Queen Elizabeth's speech to Mary does a fair job of summarizing why she made it as a queen while Mary did not.

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I suggest you watch THE PRIVATE LIVES OF ELIZABETH AND ESSEX, starring Bette Davis and Errol Flynn.
It depicts the same period and is filmed in beautiful Technicolor.

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i don't understand, it's not much different from other films from '30s.
it doesn't offer much more or less, i liked it though

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