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Things That Bother Me About this Movie


I like this movie, and I think its a great follow up to Dracula. There are many things I like about it-
-How it starts right where Dracula left off
-The performances are solid
-The story is interesting
-Margeurite Churchill is amusing
-The atmosphere is dark and ominous
-The return to the castle

Now here are some things I didn't like-
-The carfax abbey set is completely different from the one in Dracula
-Renfield is now at the bottom of the steps rather than where he fell in Dracula (off the side on his way down)
-In this Van Helsing's name is VON Helsing
-When Van Helsing is arrested he doesn't even mention Dr. Seward and the others he helped (Mina, Johnathan). Don't you think it would have helped his case if actual evidence and witnesses to the vampirism were found?
-The beginning with the cops seemed out of place to me, it was just too hokey
-When more victims with puncture wounds found in their necks start turning up, nobody even mentions the ones from the previous film.

Basically, the continuity errors bug me, and they could have easily been avoided.

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i dont think none of those errors are as bad as the one in "bride of frankenstein" where they change the actress who plays Dr frankensteins wife for a younger one who doesnt look anything like the original... i thought they were two different women

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Dear "cracked" Mae Clarke was ill at the time, suffering the after effects of over work and injuries from a car accident. James Whale admired her greatly, and would have brought her back in a flash if he could have. That being the case, he chose young Valerie Hobson...a rising star at Universal. Mae Clarke fitted the more serious "realistic" qualities of FRANKENSTEIN, whereas Valerie Hobson was perfect for the "Fractured Fairy Tale" quality of THE BRIDE.

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Should we really expect every little detail of continuity in these old movies from sequel to sequel to be perfect? We modern viewers of course have "advantages" such as television, vcr's, and dvd's to pick up these films anytime we wish & go over every detail with a fine-tooth comb unlike folks in the 1930's & 40's.

I can't imagine that filmmakers in those times were required to memorize every detail from does the set on this film exactly match the original's or what exact position a body was lying in. You just have to overlook the small stuff & enjoy the movie.

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The lack of continuity leads to a bit of confusion at the beginning of the movie. The films are short and were probably presented as double features (that's how the theater where I saw them this week presented them), so it is a problem.

Finally, Dracula's Daughter was made in 1936 after a string of hit horror films from Universal studios in the early 30s. So they should have paid more attention.

I don't think continuity problems detract much from Dracula's Daughter, though. In a lot of ways I like it better than the first film.

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I'm not at all distracted by such minor discontinuities. I love Dracula's Daughter and it remains one of my favorites of the Universal Gothic classics.

I love that the stairway in the Carfax Abbey set is actually the stairway from the laboratory tower in James Whale's Frankenstein (1931). I always enjoy the use and re-use of standing sets in the Universal films.

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Since it was brought up on this thread, I'm curious - does anyone know what became of the original Carfax Abbey set from "Dracula" (1931) and why it wasn't available for "Dracula's Daughter" in 1936? Had the original set been torn down and reused for some other film?

It does appear they used the old watchtower set from "Frankenstein" (1931) and "Bride of Frankenstein" (1935).

Another minor continuity error between this film and "Dracula" was Edward Van Sloan's appearance. In "Dracula", his hair was close-cropped and the lenses of his glasses were rather thick. In "Dracula's Daughter", his hair was longer and combed back and the lenses of his glasses appear much thinner.



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"Since it was brought up on this thread, I'm curious - does anyone know what became of the original Carfax Abbey set from "Dracula" (1931) and why it wasn't available for "Dracula's Daughter" in 1936? Had the original set been torn down and reused for some other film? It does appear they used the old watchtower set from "Frankenstein" (1931) and "Bride of Frankenstein" (1935)."


ODDLY enough... all the sets used in BRIDE OF FRANKENSTEIN were rebuilt from scratch. NONE of the sets in FRANKENSTEIN were re-used. Some of them looked similar-- the watch-tower, a prime example. It was built much BIGGER and more spectacular, though. If you watch both films back-to-back, compare the steep and DANGEROUS stairway in FRANKENSTEIN with the much smoother version in BRIDE... The BRIDE... stairway was then reused in both DRACULA'S DAUGHTER, and an early chapter of FLASH GORDON the same year! (1936) There's a rather popular publicity shot of Buster Crabbe & Jean Rogers standing on that stairway (a pose which is not in the serial, but looks great as a photo).


The main entrance hall of Dracula's castle from DRACULA was actually reused at the end of DRACULA'S DAUGHTER, though because of the way the scene was filmed, it goes by so fast you almost miss it!!


It baffles me, then, as to why the Carfax Abbey set, with it's VERY dangerous-looking, vertigo-inducing curved staircase, was NOT reused in DRACULA'S DAUGHTER. A good question-- had it been torn down? Was it being used at the same time on some other picture? What?

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I don't have much problem with the different sets, as the movies were made years apart and money was a consideration.
I did wonder myself why Mina is never mentioned, as she could give direct testimony of Dracula's vices and there would still be those wounds on her throat. Scotland Yard might dismiss her as as crazy as old Van Helsing, but it does seem she should have been mentioned.

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I bought this DVD several years ago and noticed the continuity problems. But I had first seen the film as a teenager more than twenty years earlier on Friday Fright Night when they showed these horror classics just before midnight, and I don't think I thought about it then. This was before cable when I saw it to begin with and I thought it was a fabulous film even with the commercial interuptions. Upon viewing it the second time around, and on digital video disc no less, I was stunned that the film still had the power to move me in the same way more than a generation later.

I'll never forget the scene in the Chelsea studio where the young girl played by the beautiful Nan Grey is bitten by Gloria Holden's Countess Dracula. It still had the same eery/creepy/Gothic quality that all of the black and white Dracula/Frankenstein films have sustained so well throughout the decades. I am so glad that all of those films were made in black and white. It's so much more realistic for the period, and much more convincing for the subject matter.

This is my favorite Dracula film other than my absolute favorite: the 1931 Tod Browning-directed Bela Lagosi classic. (A distant third would be the 1960 technicolor Brides of Dracula (directed by Terrence Fisher) starring Peter Cushing as Van Helsing and the handsome David Peel as a blond, yet aristocratic Transylvanian, baron-type Dracula). Dracula's Daughter was a fine follow-up, and sequels are rarely as well done as the original. This was probably the first great horror sequel in movie history. The acting is superb on all counts. The chemistry between the elegant Holden as the Countess and the heroic Dr. Garth as played by Otto Kruger (who would eventually be typecast playing villains in most of his other films) is sensational considering that their characters are adversaries and do not actually fall in love. A lot of sexual chemistry there.

I also thought that Marguerite Churchill was terrific as Kruger's spoiled, aristocratic secretary and that Irving Pichel was excellent too as the sinister man-servant Sandor. I noticed the second time around that the Scotland Yard man that Van Helsing talks to in the beginning of the film also played the Colonel in the great romantic 1940 tear-jerking classic Waterloo Bridge starring Vivien Leigh and Robert Taylor, which also has an atmospheric Gothic quality about it because it too, like most films of that era, was filmed in glorious black and white.

Another surprise is that the gossip columnist Hedda Hopper plays the society hostess Lady Hammond who introduces Dr. Garth to the Countess, much to the dismay of his secretary Janet Blake (Churchill). Hopper also appeared briefly in the classic Sunset Boulevard, and in his fascinating tome Alternate Oscars film critic Danny Peary details some similarities between Dracula's Daughter and Sunset Boulevard. I don't recall, however, that he mentioned that Hopper was in both films or that both films starred people with the same last name: Gloria Holden and William Holden (who were not related). Hedda Hopper was fine playing herself in Sunset Boulevard, but she was wrong for the 1936 Dracula movie: She doesn't bother to put on a British accent, which was crucial to her character as an English aristocrat. But since she is in the film for only a few minutes, it doesn't spoil the viewing experience. I got annoyed with Robert Taylor in Waterloo Bridge for the same reason, but he was so wonderfully handsome as the blueblooded officer who falls in love with Leigh's ballerina-turned-hooker Myra, that I'm always willing to overlook the discrepancy of his flat Nebraska dialect.

They don't make em' like this anymore. I can't fully express how disappointed I am that the beautiful and talented Gloria Holden never had the opportunity for another great role. The only other really good films she was featured in were The Life of Emile Zola as Madame Zola and, many years later, The Eddie Duchin Story as Tyrone Power's mother. (Novak had the role of the WASP heiress Marjorie Oelrichs, whom the middle-class Jewish Duchin married against her upper-class parents wishes).

Holden was in her late forties and past her prime when she portrayed Mrs. Duchin, and she retired from show-business soon after. But she was only twenty-seven when she played Countess Dracula and it should have been the start of a great career. What a shame. As with the great Elsa Lancaster in The Bride of Frankenstein, I can't imagine any other actress in that part.

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Actually, the "a" in Abraham "van" Helsing (and Ludwig van Beethoven) is pronounced like the "a" in "car." It is the Dutch spelling of the German "von," which means "from." The "von" is common among German aristocrats, so some Germans add it to their names to get better seats on airplanes. (In Beethoven's case, it was not an indicator of noble heritage. His name means simply "from the beet garden.") Unfortunately, most people pronounce the Dutch "van" as they would in "Chevy van," so when someone pronounces it correctly, it sounds wrong.

Further confusing the issue is the fact that "Van" is a first name, and is pronounced like the motor vehicle. More than one radio announcer has told his audience that they will hear a piece played by "van Cliburn" or even "von/fon Cliburn," as if both words form the pianist's last name.

"Dracula's Daughter" is rightly praised for its numerous powerful and effective scenes, and it's way above most of what followed from Universal. But it's true that the story contains a lot of holes, and the constant stupid bickering between Otto Kruger and Marguerite Churchill becomes tiresome quickly. Remember that in the 1930s, Hollywood assumed that comic relief was practically required in a film, and the "silly English bobby," which Billy Bevan played many times, was a tried and true way to get it.

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