Gay double standard?


In Dracula, the producers almost cut the scene where Dracula bites Renfield and sent out a memo "Dracula is only to attack girls. However, in this movie, Marya is practically drooling over that model. Even back then, was there the feeling of seeing two men doing anything sexual with each other as being gross while two women doing it is thought of as sexy?



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It's because of Sexism against Women, Homophobic Misogynists don't take Female Homosexual behaviors as seriously.

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Well said - alas...



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It's because of Sexism against Women, Homophobic Misogynists don't take Female Homosexual behaviors as seriously.


I read that some scientists think it may be the result of instinct. That a gay male is less likely to reproduce than a gay female so Homophobia has been selected for.
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It may not have been selected for but there apparently hasn't been enough pressure to eliminate it. There is also a theory of the benefit of the "gay uncle", the “kin selection hypothesis.” (https://www.psychologicalscience.org/media/releases/2010/vasey.cfm)

"There is some evidence for this second theory. Andrea Camperio-Ciani, at the University of Padova in Italy, found that maternal female relatives of gay men have more children than maternal female relatives of straight men. The implication is that there is an unknown mechanism in the X chromosome of men's genetic code which helps women in the family have more babies, but can lead to homosexuality in men.'' (http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-26089486)

Also, lesbians wouldn't produce more offspring than gay males if they both stuck to their same sex. In reality, many members of both groups faced considerable pressure to reproduce (perhaps many were bi to some extent). If they were pressured into marrying and reproducing, then they were possibly (unwittingly) passing along the "gay genes" (if there are any).

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Good grief, it’s not “homophobia”. Straight men are simply repulsed by the idea of another man touching them in an unnatural and/or romantic way. Period.

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Straight men are simply repulsed by the idea of another man touching them in an unnatural and/or romantic way.


Hilarious that you just defined homophobia. 🤣

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Wrong. Phobia implies fear, and straight men aren’t afraid of homosexuals. We simply find it abnormal and abhorrent for another man to touch us in that way.

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Exactly, you're not afraid of hairdressers. You're afraid of touching or being touched by another man.

homo = same & phobia = fear

You're afraid of your same sex. 🤣

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Not necessarily. I hug my dad, I hug my brother. There’s no fear involved. It’s simply when deviant and abnormal behavior is added that said touching becomes abhorrent and repulsive. The abnormal cannot be normalized, although I’ll be darned if folks aren’t trying their hardest.

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You said "in that way".

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Yes, in a way that is deviant and abnormal.

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Bullshit. Male sexuality is naturally repulsive to men compared to female sexualty. Plus there's also the issue with all the pedophelia and STDs in male homosexuality. The "sexism" accusation is made by butthurt (no pun intended) gay men who are jealous of lesbians that their sexuality isn't seen as attractive.

Complaining that femle sexulaity i seen as less repulsive to men is like complaining that straight men are not attracted to men like they are to women.

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Plus there's also the issue with all the pedophelia and STDs in male homosexuality.


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No it's really not.

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Well, believe it or not, the homo-erotic scene you've referenced is something the film was noted for, historically. In other words, they were pushing the envelope there.

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I know, but wouldn't Dracula biting Renfield been pushing the envelope too or any male for that matter?



"I'm in such bad shape, I'm wearing prescription underwear." Phyllis Diller 1917-2012

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Sure. But they were afraid of pissing off the church, etc, etc.

Look at "Streetcar Named Desire", "Cat On A Hot Tin Roof", etc. We're talking, 20, 25 years later. They couldn't say 'cancer', never mind 'rape' or 'gay'.

......yet are considered 'envelope pushers'.

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OP has a point about a gay double standard.

You look even now in TV and movies, there is more girl-on-girl action than guy-on-guy, at least in mainstream movies. (And actually, a lot of hetero dudes dig looking at girl-on-girl, so there you go.)

The whole Xena Warrior Princess show owed a lot of its appeal to the fact of the implied relationship between Xena and Gabriella. There has yet to be a superhero TV show with a gay male hero.

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Just an observation: Lots of straight men enjoy seeing girl on girl action. However I've yet to encounter a woman straight or otherwise that enjoyed seeing gay male porn. Maybe that explains the aforementioned bias.

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Lots of Women enjoy guy on guy action. Look up Yaoi or SLash Fiction.

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What is weird that in The Spanish version, the Brides attacked Renfield and Dracula wasn't around to stop them but in the English version, Lugosi comes in, stops the brides and he bends down and the scene is cut. So maybe there was some conflict about this but the Lugosi version was closer to the book in that regard. Dracula stopped his brides from attacking Hawker until he was finished with him then he gave him to them.

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Oh there were ton's of differences. The acting was a lot different. Most people consider Carlos Villarias as the weak link as his Dracula pales in comparison to Lugosi but he did a good job. Browning's Dracula was 75 minutes long but the Spanish version basically uses more of the script/play and it clocks at 100 minutes, longer than any Universal Horror film in the 1930's.

They experimented in camera movements and such. Many debate which film was technically superior. One big difference was Lupita Tovar who played Eva (Mina) with much more respect and energy than Helen Chandler. Also her wardrobe was difference, she wore more revealing clothing, low cut gowns, especially as the film progresses because Hispanic audiences were less uptight than the average audience of the 1930's. She was sexy.

The Spanish crew did all they could to one up the English speaking crew. I am not sure what started this, since it wasn't the only film to have a separate Spanish version but one of the few to survive. They probably one up the Spanish version with 1932's The Mummy which used more camera movement (In fact the cinematographer of Browning's Dracula, Karl Freund, who also did Metropolis, directed the Mummy) had a musical score, the plot was very similar and the leading lady wore revealing clothes. Though I prefer Tovar.

Check it out if you love classic horror, Dracula, 30's cinema, ect. If not, skip it.

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I believe the Dracula blu ray is all region. Includes both the English and Spanish version in beautiful restoration. Though the Spanish version had stills were they were damaged beyond repair so they did their best with that they had.

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Let me guess. You're a gay man?

I always found gay male jealousy towards supposed greater acceptability of lesbianism as pathetic. Female homosexuality should be more acceptable than male, after all it does not have nearly as great as risk factors such as STDs, promiscuity, paedophilia and drug use. I'm not saying it is free of all risk factors, but in every society female homosexuality becomes acceptable sooner than male. Even the Nazis didn't persecute lesbians to the extent they did homosexual men.

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Based.

Lesbians > Gays.

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There is nothing lesbian in this movie. All there is a scene where a female Dracula goes after a woman's neck because she wants her blood. Nothing surprising since she's a vampire. I see no proof that she is attracted to woman beyod just wanting to feed herself. The reason lesbianism is falsely attributed to this scene is because modern gay activists see everything through gay lenses and are very busy editing IMDB pages.

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