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Mature, Modern + Brilliant


Saw 'The Collector' by chance and having enjoyed it was shamed to find I wasnt familiar with its director William Wyler, who it turns out had directed Ben Hur! among other well known and well received films and I liked the reviews for Dodsworth so gave it a try.

Its an absolutely stunning film - so contemporary and modern, witty and unflinching and honest in its portrayal of loves multiple personalities - and it dazzlingly depicts how certain desires can consume not only ones better judgement but also ones true identity.

Flawless, effortless acting matched with a bristling and unsentimental scipt makes this by far one of the best romances I've seen - it reminded me in parts of Preston Sturges films but with a much deeper core - highly recommended.

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There is something about William Wyler--he was good at getting timeless performances from his actors. The acting in DODSWORTH doesn't feel like 1930s acting--there is something very honest about these portrayals. No one in the cast is playing "grand movie star." It helps that he has great casts in his movies. I notice the same thing in THE LITTLE FOXES...not a morsel has dated, and everyone down to the smallest cameo does beautiful work--it might be Bette Davis' best film. Ditto THE HEIRESS, THESE THREE, THE LETTER, JEZEBEL, BEST YEARS OF OUR LIVES...all full of actors doing some of the best work they ever did.

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Not many actors worked with Wyler more than once, but when they did the result was often magic. He directed 36 Oscar nominated performances and 14 of them won the Academy Award. No other director comes close. I have yet to find a Wyler movie that I didn't enjoy on some level. Dodsworth is a great favorite of mine; a movie made for grown-ups by grown-ups. It's the only movie of its type I've come across on IMDb that rates a 10/10. Richly deserved.

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I've seen it several times, and thought it was phenomenal. Very adult, very intelligent, with an excellent ear for the way real people interact and exchange conversations and display weaknesses. A brilliant script. Wyler may have been a taskmaster and a perfectionist, but boy, did he ever exact terrific performances from his actors. Huston and Chatterton absolutely crackle with realism as the long-married couple; he, grounded in reality, and not a snob despite his wealth, and she is a revelation with every vocal nuance and gesture; vain, selfish, spoiled, immature, catty, distant. I'd love to see some of her other films, just to compare the performance. And Mary Astor, so loving, warm and intelligent, confident and supportive. Not a phony note from anyone in the cast. It really stands the test of time, and I'm glad that Gregory Peck, although he would have been wonderful in the lead, never got to do that remake he so wanted to.

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Very well said! I've also seen Dodsworth several times and never tire of it. I was talking about it last night to a friend who has never seen it, and I mentioned among other things how natural the dialogue sounds. I have never seen Ruth Chatterton in anything else but silents, a long time ago. I grow to appreciate Paul Lukas's performance in this movie more and more over time. (Burning the letter -- crazy-in-love romantic gesture.)

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Great performances all round. Even though it is a romantic drama by genre, I saw Dodsworth as a critique of the privileged exsistence Sam and Fran had lived up till their trip to Europe. Within their privileged lives both had played the traditonal roles. Sam creating profit for the family whilst Fan kept house and raised their daughter. However once they steped out of this their flaws began to show. Fan took the first opportunity to be in the company of men while Sam was a stranger to anything not related to his routine.

"I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not".

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@errington_92, I am glad that you mentioned Sam's flaw of not being willing to step out of his routine because I noticed that while watching it last night. It was clear Fran wanted a whole new life outside of Zenith but he was ready to go home after a month. I could understand him being upset about her affair with Paul Lukas' character but rubbing it in about her becoming a grandmother was only going to drive her further away. He admitted that Arnold gave her things he could not but he did not seem to want to make an effort to be able to give her those things but only to get her to come home to the life she never liked to begin with. I don't think that Sam leaving her was her comeuppance but her freedom and well as freedom for him.

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Sam was excited by life, pursuing his dreams of transatlantic flight. He wasn't feeling his age because his interests were rejuvenating.

Fran on the other hand, was afraid of growing old and all her pursuits had one aim: to make her feel like she was still young. That's a battle you can't win. I hope she went home to Zenith, found a new beau, loved her grandchildren and did volunteer work. But I doubt it.

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I agree with you. They both needed to be free from each other to have new lives. They did not fit anymore. I thought he was mean in telling Fran she was an old grandmother now. She was a doozy, but Sam got in his hits as well.

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I watched it again last night. It wasn't meanness, really, telling Fran about her impending grandmotherly status. It was Sam trying to enforce the reality of the change in their lives. They'd been married twenty years, had a lovely married daughter, who - ironically - had a much happier and sounder married life than they. He welcomed becoming a grandfather, and seeing a new generation. But Fran, who was essentially tired of their relationship, and afraid of time and age - denying it all the way - wasn't ready to accept it. Sam's closeness to his daughter is shown and emphasized earlier in the film. She seems to be as grounded and well-adjusted to a new life as he is, and he holds on to that and welcomes the reciprocal warmth, but it feels to me as if Fran would always be keeping her, her husband, and the little grandson at arm's length.

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There's another aspect to their relationship that I noticed watching this very wonderful movie last night:

When Sam returns home alone, we see him in a very frustrated frame of mind because things are out of place compared to how they used to be before he went away. And it was Fran who kept things in order for him at home: the mail, the evening drink; other small but vital details that make home life comfortable. All these attentions, done over a number years, become routine. Taking these along with the other clockwork-like that Fran outlines to Sam at the start of the movie, we can infer that, for 20 years, Fran has been living a life of routines.

We don't know if Sam has come to take all of these attentions for granted, but it wouldn't surprise me. We also see, at the start of the movie, when Fran is outlining the things that tire her, that Sam is not really taking in what she's saying. He isn't comprehending fully when she compares the stagnation she feels in her life with the activity and drive she knows is at the center of his days. Part of what destroys the marriage once they're able to spend time together, is this inability to understand what the other person means when they say something.

We also see, throughout the movie, that Sam expects to get what he wants from people (though the only example that's standing out to me is when he tells the waiter, during the last meeting with Fran, that he wants a drink even though the bar is closed - he gets that drink, too).

His loss of temper at home is mostly due to missing Fran and wanting her home, but coupled with moments like the drink at the ship, we can infer that, at home, over the years, Sam wants what he wants the way he wants it, and lets you know when this hasn't been accomplished. This isn't a weakness; it isn't abuse; it's part of what has made him successful. But, day after day, for a number of years, it can get wearing on the recipient.

I like a story where you can find new dimensions with every viewing. A lovely movie.

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I was glad you mentioned the drink on the ship towards the end, elena-28. I was kind of annoyed at Sam when he listened to the waiter's explanation that the bar wasn't open as the ship was loading, and still said, "I know that, but bring a brandy and soda and be quick about it, eh?"....what was that poor guy to do? Then, when it was brought, Sam didn't drink it nor did he acknowledge the lackey who had to break the rules to bring it to him! Sam Dodsworth was used to people saying "How high?", when he said "Jump". His bullying tendencies were what got him to where he was in business, I'm guessing, and Fran had stuck by him and put up with his quirks, lateness and probably bad moods all these years....and he did adore her, as he said. But she saw that time passing, and as the book reads, was admired all over Europe, and it went to her head. She had nothing to do but to please herself and have fun, and she was going to do it---it was too bad she decided to do it without Sam. Her terrible snobbishness at the end was her undoing, for Sam was watching her closely. I've always wondered what the ending was, other than Sam going back to marry Mrs. Cortright. How many hoops did he have to jump through before Fran granted him the divorce, or did he have to jump through any? Could he prove infidelity on her part and get the divorce, no matter what she thought? And when he came back to Zenith, which I'd bet he did as he loved his daughter and most certainly would have wanted to see his grandson who was named after him, would he and the new Mrs. Dodsworth be accepted in the town? Wouldn't it have been fun to think of them setting up residence in Zenith, and the run-ins with Fran. Good heavens---can you imagine what Fran would have told her daughter, son-in-law and other relatives and friends about what happened? No doubt, she would have herself looking like a saint, and Sam would be The Ogre with his slutty mistress. And I'm sure she kept the mansion, too. What a great follow-up book/movie that would have been! Can anyone else tell me what they'd think the ending of this story would be? Would Fran eventually accept Sam and his new wife, would they co-exist in Zenith, if not friends, at least being able to be in the same room for the baby's birthdays and other occasions?

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I don't like to speculate or guess. We can only go by what we see. But yeah, he did say "I didn't get this far without being a little ruthless" but it was definitely his wife's fault. She was so narcissistic, selfish, the worst. Flirting in front of his face, admitting she wanted to have flings because she is so young (baloney), and an opportunist. When things didn't work out (the old mother knew she was no ******* good) she lied and pretended she loved him all of a sudden. His wife even hated when he'd bring up where they were from, she was constantly trying to be someone she wasn't, a huge snob.... I loved his explanation of how you get used to habits, which was the reason he was so forgiving. He loved her, she didn't love him. She was after money and constant vanity.

I was glad he finally defended himself.

Great movie. 10/10.

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Who is famous for saying that?

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i think these kind of movies would be more engaging if you're married or have been married once, because this movie did nothing for me

i didn't care about any of the characters or what happened to them





so many movies, so little time

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