No, no, no


Must we admire things simply because they are old? This film is NOT a good interpretation of WS's play. Rooney is annoying as Puck, and isn't nearly dark enough. Oberon, however, is far TOO dark. The very idea of playing Oberon as the "bad guy" and Titania as the "victim" is utterly ridiculous, and reflects more about the paranoia of the time in which the film was made than it does any sort of intelligent reading of Shakespeare. And Cagney is just... well, wrong for the part.

I'm shocked that this film received 7 stars, as I find it pretty detestable. I'm a theatre director and British Literature teacher at the high school level, and I have read the play many times, directed it twice, and seen several film versions of the show (not to mention the many the live productions i've seen). I admit that doesn't necessarily qualify me as an expert, but I wanted to make it clear that I'm not some hack that gets a kick out of attacking films.

And for those who say they were initially interested in Shakespeare because of this film... more power to you. Honestly, I'm glad anytime someone does a version of the Bard's work that ropes people in and helps them appreciate his genius. This interpretation, though... it simply leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

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How could you have seen all the live versions of the play.

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How could you have seen all the live versions of the play.


Assuming that was a question, I don't understand why you asked it. At what point did the above poster claim to have seen all the live performances of Midsummer Night's Dream?

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Furthermore, if you're not just some "hack" and you are an English Teacher!! why aren't you using textual or film based evidence for your arguments?
Interesting.

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Sigh... thanks for reminding me why I don't post on these boards more often. My post was specifically designed to deflect abuse, yet abuse is what I get.

I guess the conversation I'd hoped for about the filmmakers filtering the character of Oberon through their own fears about the rise of the Nazi party is not to be.

Midsummer shouldn't be about good versus evil, but that's how this film approaches it.

And no, I'm not listing concrete textual or film evidence at this time. Maybe later... if I even bother coming back here at all.

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I think that argument is really interesting. I just watched the film and thought that the portrayal of Oberon was confusing as well. Your reading that it has to do with Nazi fear is complex.

I just didn't get what you were saying before, since most of your post was about why you should be allowed to say it.
I wasnt trying to "abuse" you.

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You may be right about the subtext, but without any actual evidence I'm going to go with "we are interpreting this for a film audience who needs this sort of interpretation to better enjoy a film." In the 30's, a man tricking his wife into being in love with someone else just because she won;t ;et him take a small boy from her - think about it, that's a villain to them. And he wasn't portrayed as an out-&-out villain, he was given quite a lot of visual appeal - possibly for those members of the audience who didn't need a simplistic "bad/good" tone.

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brendangcarroll, you were lucky to interview those cast memebers. It helps give an insight & I agree with what you said about Mickey Rooney. Plus, if the laughter was over-the-top, I'd question why the director didn't tone it down.

I think it is a visually striking film, especially given the time it was made. Plus, I can't help but be amused that Cagney, Dick Powell & Joe E.Brown appeared in a Shakespearen play.

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I completely agree with you on Rooney being annoying as Puck. That high pitched giggle that he did numerous times during the film is what really grated at my nerves. I personally think that he was just too young at the time to play the part.

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I was privileged to interview several cast members of this film including Ms De Havilland, Victor Jory and Mickey Rooney and would just like to state that no cinematic paradigm for Hitler was ever intended.

Max Reinhardt's interpretation of A Midsummer Night's Dream was a heavily teutonic one and had not been created for this film. If you read reviews of his Bowl production and also earlier stagings in Europe, it can be seen that these "darker" elements were much in evidence there too and this is actually typical of him. Please remember that Jack Warner decided to make the film based on the Bowl production.

I do not wish to lecture the "experts" posting on this board, but I recommend that you investigate German and Austrian literature where the dark and fantastical elements are a very strong feature of fairy tale literature (E.T.A Hoffmann, Grimm etc). That is where Reinhardt's inspiration lies, not some catchpenny political knee-jerk response. When this film was being made, Hitler had barely started to have an inpact and in any case, Reinhardt was Austrian. Hitler did not annex Austria until March '38.

Erich Wolfgang Korngold (who created the Mendelssohn fantasia for the music score to this film) said that he transposed the famous Notturno from Mendelssohn's incidental music to A MIDSUMMER NIGHT's DREAM from E major to Eb because " Reinhardt's concept was of darkest night, whereas Mendelssohn was in brilliant moonlight" (I am paraphrasing this in translation from the original German).

As for Mickey Rooney, I believe it was a tremendous innvovation to have a child - and an incredbly gifted one at that - playing this role for once, rather than a man in his 20s or older. Rooney was an amazing child-actor and his ability in reading and interpreting complex Shakespearean verse with such virtuosity (irritating giggle notwithstanding) should be applauded. He was clearly wasted by Hollywood therafter (Andy Hardy hardly stretched him) and I cannot think of any child actor today that could have broyght this off.

In conclusion, while this may not be everyone's idea of Shakespeare or even this play, it IS a remarkable achievement for 1935 and moreover, it preserves the unique approach and visual style of one of the greatest European theatre directors of the 20th century. As a film (and it should only be considered in cinematic terms), it is an outstanding and vivid creation and, through its pioeering use of music, paved the way for modern film scoring techniques that endure to the present day.

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Thank you for the insight, brendangcarroll.
I always liked this play, but I always loved Mendelssohn's incidental music; so seeing them together in a movie like this was a dream come true. For me, no other production would feel as complete without this superb combination.

It's nearly unanimous that Puck's laugh is startlingly annoying, but it's a little easier to accept when you think of Puck as a purposely annoying imp in the first place, considering what he puts everone else through.

Also, I thought Cagney was perfect as Bottom.

Oberon a dark character? So, he's an imposing monarch of a hidden fairy kingdom; I can't blame him for being a little dark. He protects his kingdom, and loves his queen, and even has a disguised sense of humor; so I never thought of him as evil. Dark does not have to equal evil.

Bottom line, MGM's production of a Midsummer Night's dream was magical, and I would feel a little sorry for a person who can't enjoy it as such.

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..not MGM.

Many of Warner's contract stars appear in the movie.

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You are really way too close minded to be teaching...

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Well, I'm an English major, and I know something about that time period, obviously I haven't done the amount of scholarly research you have, but try as I might I cannot see the "Nazi" subtext you're talking about. Or, for that matter, Titania as a victim and Oberon as a "bad guy". What I can see is that the people working on the film were from many nations, including Germany, and probably included their own traditions about what faeries were supposed to be like. There is a lot of Romantic Paganism in this film. Titania and Oberon seem to me more like the yin-yang forces of nature. (And yet they're an endearingly bickering couple.) The other films of Midsummer Night I have seen were good (especially the 1968 Royal Shakespeare Company version), but did not pick up on that.

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This film is NOT a good interpretation of WS's play

Yes, films that are faithful to the play are bad interpretations.

The film depicts every Act and Scene in order and retains about 85% of the dialogue.

Rooney is annoying as Puck, and isn't nearly dark enough

He is supposed to be a bit annoying - he is known as a prankster and commits a few pranks in the play for his own benefit, and Puck is not dark at all, he brightens up tense situations with witty confusion.

Oberon, however, is far TOO dark.

As he should be - the man ravishes/rapes women, tyrannizes his Queen, and wants sole possession of a mortal child she is raising.

The very idea of playing Oberon as the "bad guy" and Titania as the "victim" is utterly ridiculous

Titania is a victim - her King tyrannizes her for his amusement, has sex with other women, and kidnaps a mortal child from her.

and reflects more about the paranoia of the time

Reflects the exact situation contained within Shakespeare's play...

What you saw on screen happens in the play.

And Cagney is just

Beyond excellent and under-appreciated.

I'm shocked that this film received 7 stars

Me too, it deserves a 10, which is why I rated it a 10

I'm a theatre director and British Literature teacher



Read the play then re-watch the film

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I have to agree with the original poster on most of his points. Perhaps his comments about Nazism are off-base, but it is only his opinion. Shakespeare's text was hacked to pieces! 85% of the dialogue is retained? Ridiculous! I am currently acting in a production of A Midsummer Night's Dream, playing Snout the Tinker. I know at least those scenes very well. Lines were dropped, and even worse, other lines were inserted in their place. It seems someone in Hollywood was a better writer than Shakespeare- who knew? And Rooney as Puck is horrid. It's hard to blame a 14 year old boy for this, so it is the director's fault. Yes Puck is mischievous and causes trouble, but does that mean he must constantly bray like and ass and howl like a monkey? And I feel almost as sorry for poor Mendelssohn as I do for Shakespeare. Both were very poorly served in this mess. It is a beautiful film to look at, however. I gave it 2 out of 10.

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