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How'd they do the tiny people in '35?


I'm fascinated with practical special effects and makeup effects, especially during the early eras of film, and I just saw Bride for the first time since I was a kid (I got to see it on the big screen too! Double feature with the original. =3) and I had forgotten about the little people in the jars. I thought the effect was actually done fairly well, especially for 1935. Can someone tell me the process they used to make the tiny people - at least for the shots where you still saw the big people, like when Dr. Pretorius is holding the king between his fingers.

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Pretorius did not hold the king between his fingers. He picked up the king with a pair of forceps, which greatly simplifies the building of a giant prop that looks reasonable in the shots that are closer in on the king.

I think (though I would have to double check that sequence, just examining it from that point of view instead of watching the movie) that they probably did it with a combination of masking to combine two shots and judicious editing choices.

I think that at that time they still tended to combine a couple different shots by doing the combination in the camera. To that that, they would figure out exactly where they wanted the dividing line between the two shots (and this would typically be facilitated in the set design stage), literally mask one section of the lens so that no light would hit that part of the film, shoot one side of the scene, rewind the film, mask the other side of the lens, and shoot the other side of the scene. Keeping the mask boundaries steady enough for that to work meant bolting down the camera; note that the camera is never moving in those scenes like it is in many other scenes.

So for the king - forceps bit, they would figure to go through the above process with the masks being a top / bottom sort of arrangement. They get the shot of Pretorius starting to reach for the king with forceps while the king is trying to break into the queen's jar. Just at the instant when the tip of the forceps is about to cross their masking boundary, they cut to a shot of just the king with the giant forceps coming from the top of the shot and picking him up. Then they cut back to a masked combination shot of Pretorius holding a miniature king doll by forceps and moving him toward the king's jar. Just as the king's feet are about to cross the mask boundary, they cut to a closer shot of the king's jar with the king being dropped back into it. Then, finally, back out to Pretorius holding empty forceps again.

Note that when Pretorius was picking up and moving the jars containing the miniature people, they always were inside of their velvet covers so that you couldn't see the little people while the jars were moving with changing backgrounds behind them.

Also, note the practical matter that, when you are combining shots in the camera, a mistake in the second shot means that you have to go back and start over with re-shooting the first shot.

The original King Kong did some really interesting things to get their actors into the same shots with the stop-action animation of Kong fighting other giant creatures.

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Yeah I was really impressed... look more real than anything CG these days.

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Check out The Devil Doll from 1936, with Lionel Barrymore. I thought they did some cool stuff in that too. Not unlike in Bride Of Frankenstein, just incorporated into the story differently.

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DR. CYCLOPS also has some similar effects that are very well done.

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The effect is quite impressive but, sorry, it doesn't look more real than CG, especially not CG "these days." Considering how photo-realistic CG is now.

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As far as I'm concerned the BOF effects look much better than any computer generated nonsense done today. It's much more real because it is real, not some technology taking over where human ability ends.

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That's an opinion based on a bias. The fact is you can't tell a CG shot from a real shot. You only know it's a CG shot when it's a spaceship or an alien or something that doesn't actually exist. But when it's a CG effect of trees or water or a city landscape or cars or things that you see everyday, you can't tell the difference.

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An opinion based on bias? Sounds like a response rooted in stupidity.

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Rather you're just too stupid to understand it.

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Rather you're too stupid to appreciate a dimishing artform in an era when computer technology is overwhelming every aspect of life.

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That's a massive assumption on your part considering I haven't said anything about not appreciating the effects of this movie (or the era). In fact, my first post says, "The effect is quite impressive.." before continuing on. I don't feel that to appreciate one I have to condemn the other. I can appreciate the old schools effects, but I'm not going to resort to hyperbole and claim that CGI is horrible. Only an idiot would do that. So thanks for making my point.

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Computer generated effects are a simplistic way of executing a scene. I don't want make believe, that's not what fantasy filmmaking is about.
The computers are taking over, eventually the actors will be computer generated. How long will it be before some quack technology brings John Wayne back to life to make a computer generated western?
Keep it. I want to see real human craftsmanship. Not some illusion without true reality.

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And all that is fine. That's your preference and your opinion. Doesn't change anything I've said.

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I know, I know. Still, nothing beats reality, even if it is just fantasy.

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Sounds like a response rooted in stupidity.

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Projecting won't help the matter for you, kid. This isn't some computer generated fantasy created for the amusement of the simple minded or otherwise emotionally disabled.

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Nope, it isn't. But your stupidity is amusing me nonetheless.

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It's always interesting the way some believe they are seeing the unintended. It's basically rooted in a need to bolster ones own ego. Sort of like a computer generated fantasy forming in the mind.

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It's always interesting to me how some are so stupid and yet they don't realize it.

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It's always interesting how some people confuse make believe with reality. Has a lot to do with being brainwashed by media manipulation. Fantasy versus reality. Computer generated images as opposed to talent and ability.

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Yeah, because computer generated images are created by magic. There aren't any talented people with unique abilities to create those images.

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>>Still, nothing beats reality, even if it is just fantasy.


Hear hear! When my son was younger he was used to all CGI generated monsters but had to leave the room seeing Charles Laughton as the Hunchback--because "it was too real" :)

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Regardless if it looks "more real", the oldschool effects just look much better and more interesting. That's just my opinion, of course (albeit the correct one).

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They don't stand the test of time. That's just my opinion, of course (albeit the correct one).

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G. Méliès was already doing the same in some of his "shorts" 25+ years before...

Just watch all the work he's done as a first timer, you won't believe it! :)

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That was as amazing scene .. just saw it a few min ago and it's the very first time that I have ever seen it .. for that time period , it looked amazing .

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I have no idea how it happened .. if it really bothers you that much .. ask the guys that run this site .

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There was one thing I noticed for the first time when I watched the blue-ray on a 60" HD screen, and that is the fact that if you look very carefully when he picks up the king, you can just barely see where they painted out the wires holding the king as he is lifted.

While digital wire removal is commonplace in current films, and has been used to a lesser extent in pre-digital films of the 60's, 70's and 80's where they were animated out by hand; it is incredible to see evidence of such attention to detail in a film of this vintage.

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I dotn know this for a fact BUT this is what I'm guessing

they shot pratorious interacting with the not really there miniature people

then had seven actors in seven HUGE Jars containing real sized chairs and were placed in front of a screen that had pratorious's footage rolling behind them

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The good special effects aside, this sequence is the only one in the movie that I would cut out completely. While we know and accept that the basic premise of the Frankenstein story is fantastic, the little people... king, queen, bishop, etc. "grown from cultures"... is totally unbelievable and throws the otherwise good script into the realm of the absurd.

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