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Why do they have to be alcoholics?


I thought making them alcoholics was kind of tacky. I mean, did people in 1934 respond well to the fact that the heroes of the movie were both a couple of drunks?

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The whole premise of Dashiell Hammett's Thin Man novel was a spoof of Hammett's and paramour Lillian Hellman's own drinking exploits. You must also consider that Prohibition had just been repealed in 1933, so drinking was on many peoples' mind! Always consider the time period in which a film is amde before passing judgment on it.

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Exactly, this is definitely one of those movies where the history surrounding it is very important to really "getting" the movie.

Height of the Depression, the very recent repeal of Prohibition, the autobiographical aspects with Hammett, the escapist angle with watching the rich enjoy themselves...

It's a great time capsule of a film.

This one may have been extreme, but many of the screwball comedies of the time also involve excessive imbibing of alcohol - much like 'Dallas' in the 80's.

Also, keep in mind that these people always had chauffeurs.

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Yes, and they're smokers, too. That's considered disgusting nowadays, so you better find another movie to watch... maybe something by Disney.

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That's like asking why Harold and Kumar are stoners. It's part of the fabric of the story, and an essential part of the premise. An urbane, childless couple spends Christmas in New York with the intention of being drunk a majority of the time, but they get dragged into a murder mystery. You're not supposed to question a premise, but rather determine whether it works. It does- in both the book and the film.

Hammett spent more time on the hangovers,reminding most people why they don't drink like Nick and Norah. If you want a classic film examining the dark side of alcoholism, try The Lost Weekend. Some films are merely meant to entertain, though, not to anlyze social issues, and The Thin Man does just is one of them.

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Better than now. Maybe because the original author (Dashille Hammet) basing on his own experience as a Pinkerton detective - was an alcoholic.

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I disagree that they were alcoholics. They were drinkers, sure, but not necessarily alcoholics.

I didn't see where alcohol adversely affected their lives. Other than a hangover or two, alcohol didn't keep them from functioning normally.

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They're not drunk: I saw them move.

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"They're not drunk: I saw them move."

Is that an original? I like it.

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An Irish joke:

Pat and Mike leave the pub, and Mike falls in a ditch. A woman walks by and says "That's a disgrace, that man is drunk!" Pat replies "He ain't drunk, m'am; I saw him move."

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Probably the only rational post in the thread. Far too many keyboard psychiatrists on this topic. They did drink, it was the time. What's next, Nick should have been arrested for wife beating when he knocked out Nora :)

For all the ability to read and understand history with the internet, why do so many have to be willfully ignorant.

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Drinking is fun.

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Nick and Nora's lives are very idealized in most ways - rich, good looking, not many real problems, everything they say is witty - I wouldn't get too hung up on the fact that they drink like fish with no actual ill effects. It is a comedy, not a documentary. (In later films, when the baby comes along, they do cut back on the drinking...)

If you want a more realistic film on the down-side of substance abuse, you can always watch "Sid and Nancy" or "Trainspotting".

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Nick drinks only cider in The Thin Man Goes Home. :)

We do see ill effects on Nora as she has a massive hangover after her 6 martinis. I can't imagine myself drinking 6 martinis in an evening. Much less a petite woman. Would probably feel like 8 or 9 to me! I doubt I'd be able to get out of bed the next day.

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Martini glasses were much smaller back then. Look at the size of the glasses. 6martinis then = 2 martinis now.

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One of my favorite parts was when Nora asks if that is her drink and Nick says what were you drinking? Rye. Nick downs the drink and says yes, that was your drink.

Why not be drunks? They had no children or other responsibilities, as a previous poster pointed out.

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It was the 1930s when movies were supposed to be glamorous. Back then most people didn't know what a cocktail was. It was a way for people to forget for a time the hardships of the Depression.

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There is a difference between being a partier and an alcoholic.

Honestly though it was all in fun. The drinking is definitely toned down in later films, so don't let that stop you from enjoying them.

I have to agree with an earlier poster about prohibition being repealed earlier too. I'm sure it's a factor in there.

Was it too much? Probably. Was it still adorable and funny? Absolutely!

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Not to mention that in the film's time frame, it's the holidays -- Christmas Eve to a couple of days before New Years -- and they're on vacation. Lots of people drink more than usual on vacation and during the holidays.

If it makes you feel better, I'm absolutely certain Nick and Nora sign up for gym memberships when the get back to San Francisco. He drops out after four days, but she sticks with it, takes up Pilates and a step class or two, and they live happily ever after.

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It probably had something to do with Prohibition just ending - making up for lost time?

It was out of control, though. There was a tray of alcohol in every room! They'd wake up in the middle of the night, exchange a few words and make a drink.

I guess this appealed to the 99.99% of the population that couldn't afford to live this way - this was the depression, after all.

I thought it was cartoonish and detracted from the story.

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And yet... people drank all the time. Way into the 1960s.

It dates back to the 18th and 19th century when water was contaminated with all sorts of diseases. People, even children drank alcoholic beverages all day, because they were safer. Wine for the richer, beeer for the poorer. (light beer (2% vol. for women and children). Breakfast for the whole family consisted of "beer soup", which was bread cooked in light beer and then strained into bowls.


Now to the 1950s and 60s:

When you invited guests, the first thing was offering them (strong) drinks. Whisky for the gents, "girlie drinks" (sweet cocktails like "Manhattan") for the girls.

When the husband came home from work in the afternoon, the first thing his wife offered him was for example, a (few) martini. She usually had a pitcher of them already prepared. Then another drink before dinner, some wine to go with the dinner, and then an evening with several (strong) drinks.

When you met with your business partners, you drank. (A meeting of half an hour was called a "four-martini meeting" back then.)


And yet, many of them lived to an age of 80, 90 or more. (My grandmother was a heavy smoker until she quit at 75 and always a good drinker. She lived merrily up to 93.) Do we lead a better life nowadays?

I would say however that Nick is a bit excessive even for 1934 standards...

but if it detracted you from the story, I recommend Ritalin. (apparently, turning school children into drug addicts nowadays is something completely different and acceptable)




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And take a look at "Mad Men," Carrie Nation. Whiskey at 9:00 Am if the account was either won or lost, Martinis at lunch, scotch at home, beer on the weekends while doing chores or picnic-ing, and cigarettes constantly.
Nick was a tough guy who was respected by cops and crooks alike. You don't earn that by being a sissy. And you don't get tips on crimes by going home early for milk and cookies. I've known undercover cops, and they got the job done by socializing till all hours with thirsty hoodlums, grifters and racketeers. Nick is alright; Nora is just too bantam-weight to keep up.

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