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question on solving the case. ***possible spoilers***


Tell me if I am missing something, but it seems to me that:
(1) there was no evidence against the killer. Why did the killer confess at the end?
(2) the only "evidence" against the killer is when the killer grabbed a fireplace poker in the midst of a fistfight at the end, just as the killer did earlier. But anyone could have grabbed a poker in that situation.
(3) things like fingerprints and such would hardly matter since the suspects were all over the place as visitors/residents.

While here, I'll make this comment: though well made, the film was a zillion times inferior to other detective films like "The Thin Man." For me TKennelMC lacked a romantic interest (for the detective) and much depth/interest in the suspects. Also, Philo's friendliness with the police took away a lot of tension. Still, worthwhile and well made.

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I agree -- watching this film made me appreciate the "Thin Man" series all the more. The William Powell/Myrna Loy interplay in those films lift them to another level. Though I will say that the Scottie in this film could give Asta some competition!

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I enjoyed the stylish manner in which the movie was filmed. I love the actors, and I thought it was a relief that Philo Vance did not engage in a lot of pointless quarreling with the police (although it's very difficult to believe they'd be so chummy and indulgent with a dilettante.) But as so often with murder mysteries of this vintage, the movie does not play fair with the audience and lets us down in the area of detection. The solution almost made sense and would have been a lot more satisfying with a bit more attention to detail. One thing you didn't mention (but another poster on this board did) is that we never learn who killed the Scottish terrier. In fact, the whole dog show angle in the plot appears to be irrelevant.


...Justin

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wrede killed the dog. he lied about having a flat tire. mcdonald stole his girl hilda.

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The dog show angle is more flavor than substance, I think, but it does provide the "hook" that brings Philo Vance into the case, since he had seen Archer Coe just before the purported suicide and thus is inclined to question the quick assumption of suicide. Also, it's the slip that Ms. Delafield makes at the dog show that allows Archer Coe to see that she has transferred her interest to Mr. Grassi -- thus setting up both Ms. Delafield and Mr. Grassi as suspects. Finally, it's the rivalry between Archer Coe and Sir Thomas MacDonald (as played up in their competition over Hilda and over the dog competition -- let's not get all Freudian about that!) that brings MacDonald in as a suspect.

So, in one way or another, the Kennel Club provides a nexus that brings Philo Vance, Sir Thomas MacDonald, Hilda Lake, Ms. Delafield, and Mr. Grassi into the plot.

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I think some people missed that point. With all his theories, Vance didn't have all the answers. His theories came close but he couldn't get it all to work and there was no proof. As he tells the police, they wouldn't be able to convict any of the suspects. He came into the case with a hunch that Coe had not committed suicide but that's about all he knew.

He had to figure everything out as he went. He answered some questions but raised others. He figured out the locked door but was wrong about the murderer seeing Coe was not dead from the neighboring building. He reached a point when he said he wasn't able to figure it all out. That surprised Markham but the case was kind of complicated.

A lot of people are looking for every loose end to be tied up for them. They're seem to be stuck on the dog but who cares. They probably just like dogs so they can't shake it but it doesn't really matter. Why aren't these people asking which how Grassi resolved the issue of the sale of the vases? In movies, a lot of questions can be raised that have no resolution, it happens.

What makes Vance so good is he doesn't accept the obvious answer. Had it been for the reporter, the sergeant, Markham, and even the medical examiner doctor, the case would have been closed quickly as a suicide. The sergeant, who should know better, walked in saying it would be an open and shut case. He hadn't seen one stitch of evidence. He hadn't even seen the dead body. He went with what the butler, a possible suspect, said happened. That's not good police practice but it's common. Later the sergeant was ready to pin it on anyone who was presented as a possible suspect. It's unfortunate there aren't more people like Vance in the real world who insist on a complete and thorough investigation before people start jumping to conclusions or there's a rush to judgment.


Woman, man! That's the way it should be Tarzan. [Tarzan and his mate]

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