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Thank god for pre-code movies!


The hand on the knee of the gentleman under the table and then he pinches her back. Also framing the brother by putting in "Polly's" bed. Things you couldn't do during the code and would have damaged the substance of the plot/movie. Makes me despise Hayes all the more.


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So true! Haynes was a narrow minded prude, with all due respect.

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I totally agree!!! Thank God for pre-code movies!!!

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Even then, the off-color material was presented with fairly good taste and subtlety

For example, in BABY FACE, the heroine's sexual activity was symbolized by the camera panning upward on an office building.

Far different from the in-your-face raunchiness that was thrown at us when the Code was replaced by MPAA ratings!

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You got THAT right! I really dunno why these "politically-correct prudes" make SUCH a Big Deal out of Gold Diggers, but don't even notice the stuff of TODAY!!!!

I'd make a comment of what i think of such people, but they'd probably throw me off!!!! LOL!

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Makes me despise Hayes all the more.
It has little to do with Hayes himself, but is part of a much larger reality.

The studio bosses were afraid that the US Congress would institute national censorship, which they saw as the first step in taking away their power. Many politicians ran for congress and senate in 1932 on an anti-Hollywood stand, which was often anti-Semitic. The bosses understood that the only way out was to impose self-censorship, and to put "one of them", Hayes, in charge.

But I share your love for pre-code movies (but take any make-believe deity out of the equation).

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One wonders the direction Hollywood movies might have taken if the Code had never been created. of course the problem with hypothetical questions is that they are hypothetical. There are always reasons why that didn't come to pass.





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Code films were good too. Some of the best films ever made as well. There is a place for both. I'd rather Hollywood still make films the way they did from the 1930's to 1950's than the trash they pump out nowadays.

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Why didn't the studios use their political clout to fight censorship?Hayes,Breen and Lord tore the guts out of the movies to appease pathetic smallminded frustrated nobodies and hypocrites.

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Actually, they had very little political clout.

The "old (gentile) money" hated that immigrant Jews managed to build themselves an economic empire, and dreamed of taking it away. The studio bosses were extremely aware of this, and I can imagine them constantly looking over their shoulders. Add to that the fact that the studios were never independent of the New York banks, and the old-money they represented.

In the 1932 congressional elections many candidates were running on an anti-Hollywood campaign, blaming "non-Christian values" for what they saw as the decline of American society (remind you of something?). That, along with an earlier Supreme Court decision, that movies were not considered press, and so weren't afforded constitutional protection of their "freedom of speech", caused the bosses to fear national censorship, as a move to clip their wings, and put them in place.

So starting to enforce the Production Code was, in many ways, a pre-emptive measure, to keep what they could of their power and status within the industry.

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Vega_Lyra says > Code films were good too. Some of the best films ever made as well. There is a place for both. I'd rather Hollywood still make films the way they did from the 1930's to 1950's than the trash they pump out nowadays.
I totally agree and am always happy to hear people make that point. I enjoy old movies, whether they were made pre-code or during the time of the code, a whole lot more than I enjoy modern movies.

Some people believe life and movies are better when there are no restrictions and people are able to do whatever they want. Personally, I believe in limited restrictions; having no restrictions is as bad as having too many. I think the code, in many cases, caused screenwriters and directors to be more creative than they otherwise might have been.

When I see movies made during the code, many of the same issues are dealt with though they may be handled in a more subtle way. I feel that makes a movie more interesting and more realistic. In real life there are more things going on than we can ever know. In movies we often get to know too much which can cause us to basic sit and take in what's happening rather than have to think about what an action means or what may really be going on both in front of us and behind the scenes.

Not always knowing for sure what was suggested makes discussing movies more interesting too. We have our own opinions about what happened based on who we are and our views of the world. In the more blatant movies of today, the discussion centers more around how something was done or some dazzling special effect than on the story; which is often lacking.

I'm no prude but I was watching a cable series the other day and noticed some very explicit nudity. I wondered, what exactly did that add to the movie or to the story? It just seemed like a cheap trick to stir Twitter activity and get publicity for the show. I thought, wow, these people must not think the show is all that good if they have to resort to things like that. They should know better than me so I stopped watching that series.

It wasn't the nudity per se but it spoke volumes. The show's story line is provocative enough and the scene prior had shown the people having sex. It seemed like it was padding for a very watered down thin plot. Had it been a movie made during the code, the filmmakers would have had to find some way of filling that time with something substantial.


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I'm no Prude but ..
I am.one!

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I'm no Prude but ..
I am.one!

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Hitchcock showed how you can be clever by going around the code. So it wasn't all that bad

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The Code did not diminish the quality of movies. That being said, I enjoy the pre-code movies. Fortunately for us all, we have both.

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