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The Ambiguous Abortion


While the novel was explicit that the heroine has an abortion, the movie equivocates a bit, with scenes and dialog sufficiently vague or ambiguous so that a naive person is free to interpret that she gave birth to a baby that died. I know of at least one other pre-code movie, The Wreckless Hour, with Dorothy Mackaill (and like this one, featuring Conrad Nagel), in which it is meant to be clear to a person of any sophistication, that the heroine has had an abortion, but what is said and shown may allow a viewer to conclude that she gave birth to a baby that died. Apparently infant mortality was so common at the time that a newborn's death didn't warrant much explanation. So I'm wondering if anyone knows of any other pre-code or later movies that feature an 'ambiguous abortion' in the plot?

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Well I recently viewed this, I had the clear if misplaced impression she went off to give birth and the child died, there is a bit where she says 'if she lived' or such, well no child survives an abortion; the book may well have an abortion, I don't think the film has! could pre-code films depict unambiguous abortions?

Tim

ps rather dull film.

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But seriously, even in those days, who went off to Havana to have their baby? And the way Irene Dunne says it, in such a vague, distracted way "if she hadn't [pause] died..." as though she was being euphemistic. I think the screenwriters were being as direct as they knew censorship would allow.

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I agree with poster gnok2002:

"she says (Irene Dunne's character) 'if she (the baby) lived' or such, well no child survives an abortion"
While this is an adaptation of a book by Sinclair Lewis, the source material is a screen play. Therefore the screen play could have changed this part of the story. It is in my opinion that the film, possibly after a re-write, made it clear - that the baby died.

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dlevy1201 says > While this is an adaptation of a book by Sinclair Lewis, the source material is a screen play. Therefore the screen play could have changed this part of the story. It is in my opinion that the film, possibly after a re-write, made it clear - that the baby died.
You are, of course, absolutely right that a movie and the book, on which it is based, do not necessarily tell the same story. I have neither read the book nor the screenplay, on which this movie is based, but watching the movie, it's very clear to me what happened to her first pregnancy. She aborted the baby. By definition, an abortion means her baby died. She says it that way because in those days people had the good sense to not talk about it like it was no big deal or as if they’d just gotten a manicure. They understood they had done a shameful, terrible thing so they didn’t go around announcing it even to people who knew. By saying her baby died, there’s also an attempt to deny it in her own mind.

One of the things I like about movies from this era, whether pre-code or later, is the subtlety with which information is revealed. I don't think they need to show her undergoing the procedure for us to know what happened. There were plenty of clues. Obviously some people understood what happened and other did not. This is how it should be.

The audiences can be more varied with each viewer understanding the events according to their own level of understanding. What happens in many movies today is interesting. In a way, it seems they are aimed at more sophisticated viewers because they are so blatant and graphic but I think it's the opposite. I always assume the writer and/or director know they have to dumb things down so most people will be able to keep up. A lot of the subtlety is gone yet there are still plenty of people who are still unable to follow.


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If one is paying attention during the film, the abortion is perfectly obvious.

Perhaps the OP just wants to reach out for some sense of community.

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It's very clear to me that she had an abortion. I don't know how anyone could think differently. Watch it again.

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